Volume of region between two functions?

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume between the surfaces defined by the functions z=2x^2-4 and z=4-2y^2. The original poster attempts to integrate with respect to z in two different orders, leading to different results.

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  • Participants discuss the integration limits and the interpretation of the functions as three-dimensional surfaces. There is confusion regarding the dimensionality of the functions and the appropriate method for finding volume.

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Some participants question the original poster's approach and suggest clarifying the dimensional aspects of the functions. There is an ongoing exploration of how to properly set up the integration bounds.

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Participants note that the region of integration may be circular in the xy-plane, and there is mention of the z-range being from -4 to 4. The original poster expresses difficulty in determining the correct bounds for integration.

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The two functions are z=2x^2-4 and z=4-2y^2, and I'm supposed to find the volume between the two by integrating two ways: one with respect to z first, and the other with respect to z last (x and y don't have a set order).

When integrating with respect to z first, I had the limits such that z ranged from 2x^2-4 to 4-2y^2, and since x and y only depend on z and z has been covered already, I thought that x and y both ranged from -2 to 2.

When I integrated with respect to z last, I had x range from -(z/2+2)^1/2 to (z/2+2)^1/2 and y range from -(2-z/2)^1/2 to (2-z/2)^1/2, with z ranging from -4 to 4.

The problem is that I got two different answers, although I feel more confident in my answer from integrating the second way, z last (128/3). Could anyone help me with where I went wrong?
 
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You're confusing me.

I don't understand:
You mention two one-dimensional functions, and you ask for the volume rather than area between them.
You write z=2x^2-4 as if z is a dependent variable, but then you claim to integrate with respect to z.

If you're talking about tbhe volume bounded by f(x,y)=2x^2-4 and g(x,y)=4-2y^2, I'm not sure that you can use a rectangular bounding region:
If I simplify 2x^2-4=4-2y^2, I get x^2+y^2=2^2 which is a circle of radius 2.

Perhaps you could look into using slices?
 
I'll try and describe the three dimensional region more clearly.

z1 = 2x^2 - 4 is a parabola in the x-z plane that runs all through the y-axis, if that makes sense. It is a three dimensional surface that happens to be independent of y, so it is the same parabola for all y-values. The same goes for z2 = 4 - 2y^2, except it lies in the y-z plane, meaning that the two functions are perpendicular to each other. The 3d space between z1 and z2 is a volume, bordered on top by z1 and on bottom by z2. The functions aren't two dimensional, they are just independent of the third, making the same two dimensional graph for all values of the third variable not in the equation.

Does that make any more sense? The problem I'm having is finding the bounds for dzdxdy and dxdydz.
 
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In order to find the bounds, make an imagination of how that volume looks in space.

Integration bounds are there where both functions cut into each other, ea, share the same z value for a given x/y point.

Take it from there.

Greetz,
Leo
 
Khan86 said:
Does that make any more sense? The problem I'm having is finding the bounds for dzdxdy and dxdydz.

I mentioned in my post that the 'shadow' that this region casts into the xy plane is a circle. It's also relatively easy to identify that the z range is (4,-4).
 

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