Volume of tetrahedron with 5 vertices

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of a tetrahedron with five vertices, exploring the transition from tetrahedra to pentahedra, and addressing the complexities of irregular pyramids.

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  • One participant seeks a formula for the volume of a tetrahedron with five vertices, indicating a need for clarification on the concept.
  • Another participant points out that a tetrahedron has only four vertices, suggesting that adding a fifth vertex results in a pentahedron.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in finding a method to calculate the volume of an irregular pyramid, which has an irregular polygon as its base.
  • There is a suggestion that when two tetrahedrons share a common surface, one could calculate the volumes of both tetrahedrons separately and sum them for the total volume of the pentahedron.
  • A participant notes that if the fourth vertex lies on the line connecting two other points, the situation simplifies, but if it lies outside, it complicates the volume calculation, leading to the irregular pyramid scenario.

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Participants generally agree on the definition of a tetrahedron and the implications of adding a fifth vertex, but there is no consensus on the formula for the volume of an irregular pyramid or the best method for calculating the volume of a pentahedron.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the formula for the volume of irregular pyramids and the conditions under which different volume calculations apply, indicating a need for further exploration of these concepts.

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I already found how to calculate the volume of tetrahedron from 4 vertices, i.e. V = 1/6(dot(d1,D), where D = cross(d2,d3).
Could somebody specify the formula or an article for volume of tetrahedron using 5 vertices, A = (x1, y1, z1), B = (x2, y2, z2), C = (x3, y3, z3), D = (x4, y4, z4) and O = (x0,y0,z0) .
Thank you very much in advance.
 
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A tetrahedron has exactly four vertices, when you add another you get a pentahedron. One such example is the pyramid.

Another is when you put two tetrahedrons together at the common surface,
 
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Thank you Jedishrfu!
I checked for volume of pyramid, but could not find the ways to Calculate the Volume of "irregular pyramid".
as, the base of an irregular pyramid is an irregular polygon, and as a result, its faces are not equally sized. any ideas regarding that?

Or in case 2 as you mentioned, should I consider one point as common surface and calculate two separate volumes of two tetrahedron and add them?
 
In the common surface example, yes, I think you'd calculate the volume for each one and then add them to get the volume of that particular pentahedron.
 
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Thanks!
it works, in case the fourth point is lying on the same line connecting two points. for example, mid point of the line connecting two points.
In case the point is lying outside, then it becomes the irregular pyramid.

Still searching the formula for Volume of the irregular pyramid.
 

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