Wall on the mexico/united states border

[Cyrus]

I don't quite agree with you. First of all, ill people wouldn't come, why should school loose so much money, suppose govt gives 600$ per student, and as far as I think, students don't use even half of it a year. Lunch costs a few dollars, so that's probably one of the few things that takes up some money. Else, how do they cost millions of dollars? Alright, let's throw them all out but first, take this thing every one has to say twice a day out of the schools

No, go read about the situation in the boarder states and the millions each year illegals are costing the hard working tax payers.

Alright, let's throw them all out but first, take this thing every one has to say twice a day out of the schools

Let's not, there not legal American citizens, or even legal citizens visiting. They deserve freedom and liberty, yes. My tax money? NO!

Or at least modify the oath, because if US gov is to be selfish and greedy for money, Nation isn't under God anymore. This nation had been risen upon Catholic religion, but people took adventage of freedom it gifted them with. God wouldn't protect scoffers. Anyway it should be modified once US became halfly a pagan nation, mainly thanks to the Bushs - murderers and when the creation stopped being taught in schools.

Selfish and greedy? The US government isint a soup kitchen. What? Don't impose your religion on me. Go read your bible, you've been thinking for yourself far too much tonight. The devil has gotten into you. You and your religious bable are not welcomed here.

 

[Gale]

just for the record, i read the other day that most illegal immigrants come acorss legally. then their visas or whatever expire and they're supposed to go home... they just don't. then they're classified as illegal immigrants. sooo... a big wall isn't going to help prevent anyone from coming except the really really desperate ones. we'll still have a big problem and have just wasted loads of money for small gain.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

First off there is the bad image. Regardless of the US excepting more people through legal means building a large wall to keep people out doesn't exactly inspire trust and confidence in people. Intentions become nearly meaningless when dealing with perceptions. And if the US doesn't place a barrier on the northern border aswell, an area where there isn't much worry of illegal entry, then perceptions paint the US as racist aswell. I think that the US likely suffers enough already from the perception of being racist imperialists.

Second, there is the cost. Let's see here... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/02/26/MNGHIHDUQF1.DTL
Here's an article on a plan that has already passed the House. It proposes a wall that will only cover 700 of the 1,952 miles of border area between the US and Mexico at a price tag of 2.2 billion dollars. So we have an estimate of 2.2 billion for only one third of a complete wall. The figure could easily wind up being twice that. Then there are the difficulties that could and probably would arise which comes to my third point.

Third point is the actual execution of such a plan. Aside from protestors the builders would also have to deal with coyotes, drug runners, and the mafia all of whom have an interest in making sure the wall isn't built. I'm quite sure that there would be sabotage and the builders would possibly even be in danger of attacks.

 

[Curious3141]

I'm wondering how this thread became such a successful illegal migrant from P & R.

 

[Cyrus]

Well, at least the illegals will have a job when they build the wall. They don't even have to cross the boarder. Who do you think will build it, John Q American? Fat chance.

 

[Anttech]

Well if the build it out of stone, with towers and ramparts, and crenelations and merlons (rather than iron and barbed wire), and give it a fancy name like the Great Mexican-American Friendship Wall, then it just might become a tourist attraction.

LOL..

 

[Nothing000]

2.2 billion for one third of the wall? That is a lot cheaper than I thought. Even if it is double that, that is not very expensive for the scale of the thing.

 

[Astronuc]

LOL..

Glad you liked it!

I was thinking that there could be places for murals - like for example with the Berlin wall.


Well, I think the proper solution is economic development in Mexico and Central America, and an end to corruption in the various governments and society in general. And no, that's not likely to happen any time soon, if ever.

How does a society overcome centuries of structural inequities and racism?

Some examples of what the wall looks like, along with some background and issues -
San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5323928

 

[hypatia]

Would we really walling others out? Or walling ourselfs in?

 

[kaos]

I think ur government can contract the Chinese for this wall.I think they get get it done for a lot cheaper than 2.2 bilion. They been doing it the wall thing for centuries.

 

[Kb1jij]

I think ur government can contract the Chinese for this wall.I think they get get it done for a lot cheaper than 2.2 bilion. They been doing it the wall thing for centuries.

Of course this wall served a different purpose. It was made to keep out hostile invaders and not needy peasants and laborers

 

[Nothing000]

Of course this wall served a different purpose. It was made to keep out hostile invaders and not needy peasants and laborers

I see no difference. The wall we would build would also keep hostile invaders (terrorists) out.

 

[Cyrus]

Why would a terrorist need a wall to keep them out when they can already get in with student visas in the comfort of an airplane? How many terrorists have come through the mexican boarder?

 

[Nothing000]

How many terrorists have come through the mexican boarder?

I don't think that is something that we can know, because we don't know how many terrorists are currently here plotting their next attack.

 

[Nothing000]

Why would a terrorist need a wall to keep them out when they can already get in with student visas in the comfort of an airplane?

What if they had a nuclear or radiological weapon? How would they bring that in on the comfort of a plane? And I know that it is likely that they would bring it in through the shipping ports, but I would have to think they would have a better chance of them getting it in through the border.

 

[heartless]

What if they had a nuclear or radiological weapon? How would they bring that in on the comfort of a plane? And I know that it is likely that they would bring it in through the shipping ports, but I would have to think they would have a better chance of them getting it in through the border.

Will they carry a nuclear or any heavy weapon, hundreds of kms in order to detonate it in US? Wouldn't that be a little too heavy? I think if they are to attack US (again?) this time they would send some kind of ballistic rocket. But, maybe first we should think, why do they want to do this?

[...]f US gov is to be selfish and greedy for money...

Selfish and greedy? The US government isint a soup kitchen.

Sorry, I put it in the wrong words. I was trying to say that, US loses much more money on Iraq and suddenly they pretend to lose so much by Mexican Immigration.

What? Don't impose your religion on me. Go read your bible, you've been thinking for yourself far too much tonight...

Again sorry I you thought that way, but I didn't want to impose religion on you. I rather meant that US government imposes religion on people but acts against it. I'm not the follower of any religion but want to defend ideas.

I read a few articles in NYTImes on Mexican border and hispanic population and I partially changed my views and ideas on this. There must be something done about this problem, but I think wall is far too much as it is like separation from the rest of the world. Minefield would be cheaper than wall but again over all of these, why US?

 

[Nothing000]

I think if they are to attack US (again?) this time they would send some kind of ballistic rocket. But, maybe first we should think, why do they want to do this?

What do you mean by "(again?)"? Are questioning whether they were responsible for the attack on the very city you live in on Sept. 11, 2001?

And I don't think they would be able to hit us with ballistic missiles. Wouldn't NORAD pick them up on radar, and stop them? I think they prefer attacks that are much more discrete. Besides, they would most likely have to talk some middle eastern country into launching them, because I doubt they have that kind of arsenel. And if a country hit us, then it would just be like an "old fashioned attack" in the sense that we would have a clear enemy to fight.

 

[moose]

You're missing the point-- they can't register legally...they have to eat and have some place to stay, and they're making no money where they're at, so they cross the border. It costs time and money to register.

Maybe they should all get together and make it so that their country is actually worth something...

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Maybe they should all get together and make it so that their country is actually worth something...

Oh... You mean how all of the people in America got together and threw Bush out of office?

Sometimes such things are a hell of a lot harder than you may think.