Warp Drive = Artificial Gravity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the concept of artificial gravity in the context of science fiction, particularly examining the potential for gravity generation through mechanisms similar to warp drives, which warp space-time. Participants consider various theoretical approaches and implications for storytelling, including the feasibility of such concepts in both spacecraft and planetary habitats.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that artificial gravity could be achieved by warping space-time, similar to the Alcubierre drive, and proposes designs for gravity generators based on this principle.
  • Another participant emphasizes that artificial gravity is typically created through acceleration or rotation, referencing examples from science fiction, such as rotating rings in "2001: A Space Odyssey."
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of gravity plating, including potential issues with gravitational fields affecting its operation and implications for spacecraft propulsion.
  • A later reply discusses the theoretical requirement of negative energy densities for warp drives and proposes a design involving positive and negative energy density generators to create a gravity effect without affecting maneuverability.
  • One participant questions the applicability of these concepts to colonial habitats on low-gravity moons, considering geological impacts.
  • Another participant asserts that using such devices on a planet is as realistic as the devices themselves, though this remains a point of contention.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and implications of using warp drive-like mechanisms for artificial gravity. There is no consensus on the practicality of these ideas, and various competing perspectives are presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their proposals, including the speculative nature of negative energy densities and the potential effects of gravitational fields on artificial gravity systems. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the implications of these concepts in different environments.

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I had a bit of a brainwave regarding artificial gravity (outside of rotation or linear acceleration). As we know "gravity plating" is just a plot device to allow sci-fi films and shows to escape the pain of having to accurately recreate a zero-g environment. But then I thought: gravity is a deformation, a warping, of space-time, and something like the Alcubierre drive works the same way, it warps space-time.

Purely for the purposes of science-fiction but keeping it somewhat grounded in the realm of reality, could the same principle be used to create artificial gravity? I'm thinking for something like this to be believable, it would have to be an underslung generator if your craft is more traditionally-shaped, or shaped like the ships in something like Star Trek or Star Wars; or at the bottom of the craft if you go with a design like they have in The Expanse, where the vessels are basically skyscrapers in space.

What do you think?
 
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Artificial gravity is created by creating an acceleration felt by the observer. It a rocket ship that is accelerating at 1 g or more preferred a ring that revolves at a certain rotational speed that you can stand in Allowing the spaceship to travel at any constant speed.

Warp speed refers to a means to travel faster than light which in our current understanding is not possible.

The movie 2001 A Space Odyssey had a scene with a rotating ring where astronauts worked and exercised.

Other Sci-fi tropes include the use of magnetic boots that keep you from floating freely but isn’t really artificial gravity.

Postulating gravity plating as a means to provide artificial gravity is possible but you’ll need to consider its pros and cons like maybe in the presence of a gravitational field it begins to act wonky or maybe it affects the ships propulsion when near a gravitational field like a magnet attracts or repels another magnet. These pros and cons can be written into your story in interesting ways.
 
jedishrfu said:
Artificial gravity is created by creating an acceleration felt by the observer. It a rocket ship that is accelerating at 1 g or more preferred a ring that revolves at a certain rotational speed that you can stand in Allowing the spaceship to travel at any constant speed.

Warp speed refers to a means to travel faster than light which in our current understanding is not possible.

The movie 2001 A Space Odyssey had a scene with a rotating ring where astronauts worked and exercised.

Other Sci-fi tropes include the use of magnetic boots that keep you from floating freely but isn’t really artificial gravity.

Postulating gravity plating as a means to provide artificial gravity is possible but you’ll need to consider its pros and cons like maybe in the presence of a gravitational field it begins to act wonky or maybe it affects the ships propulsion when near a gravitational field like a magnet attracts or repels another magnet. These pros and cons can be written into your story in interesting ways.

Thank you for your reply, but that's not what I was asking. I was asking since warp drive and gravity both work in very similar ways (by warping space-time), would it be believable for a science-fiction story to have a gravity generator behave in a similar way, i.e. by warping the local space-time around the ship and creating a gravity well.
 
The problem with warp drives is that they require negative energy densities which may or may not be nonsense.

If you've got one in your story, though, I'd put positive energy density generators in the floor and negative energy density generators in the ceiling. Then you could argue that you've got a total energy density (and hence mass density) of zero, so it doesn't affect manoeuvring, and the plate pairs form a dipole, which has a short ranged field and explains why your ship's gravity doesn't pull passing asteroids out of orbit.

That's still nonsense for various reasons, but maybe plausible sounding nonsense.
 
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Ibix said:
The problem with warp drives is that they require negative energy densities which may or may not be nonsense.

If you've got one in your story, though, I'd put positive energy density generators in the floor and negative energy density generators in the ceiling. Then you could argue that you've got a total energy density (and hence mass density) of zero, so it doesn't affect manoeuvring, and the plate pairs form a dipole, which has a short ranged field and explains why your ship's gravity doesn't pull passing asteroids out of orbit.

That's still nonsense for various reasons, but maybe plausible sounding nonsense.
Perfect! Thank you.

Would this concept be applicable for colonial habitats? I'm thinking if a colony was constructed on the surface of, say, Mimas, which has a surface gravity of 0.00648gs, would this concept affect the geology of whatever the colony is built upon, or would the same principle apply regarding the short-ranged field?
 
I don't think running it on a planet is any less realistic than the device itself.
 

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