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cristo said:How are you qualified to comment on whether or not members of governments "believed" in the WMD claim? The way I heard it was that MI6 (or the JIC) presented "the 45 minute claim" to the prime minister, who took it as serious. I do not see that the prime minister would lie to the public, and completely make up such an intelligence source, so it seems that the source was inaccurate. Conjecture as to whether or not MPs "believed" this source is impossible without having read the entire document. Regardless, your security services are there for a reason, and you can't simply ignore what they're telling you, or stating that you know better.
First of all I said that I'm iffy on if they actually believed that I had high doubts that they had concrete evidence suggesting beyond any doubt that Iraq had WMD. Why do I say this?
SENATE On Postwar Intelligence:
(bolding mine)[..]this Administration owed it to the American people to give them a 100 percent accurate picture of the threat we faced. Unfortunately, our Committee has concluded that the Administration made significant claims that were not supported by the intelligence,” Rockefeller said. “In making the case for war, the Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/press/record.cfm?id=298775The Committee’s report cites several conclusions in which the Administration’s public statements were NOT supported by the intelligence. They include:
Ø Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa’ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa’ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence.
Ø Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.
Ø Statements by President Bush and Vice President Cheney regarding the postwar situation in Iraq, in terms of the political, security, and economic, did not reflect the concerns and uncertainties expressed in the intelligence products.
Ø Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq’s chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community’s uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.
Ø The Secretary of Defense’s statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information.
Ø The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 as the Vice President repeatedly claimed.
Hans Blix Report to the UN:
(bolding mine)Turning to biological and chemical weapons, Mr. Blix said there was a significant Iraqi effort under way to clarify a major source of uncertainty as to the quantities of those arms, which were unilaterally destroyed in 1991. As part of that effort, a disposal site was being now re-excavated, unearthing bombs and fragments, which could allow the determination of the number of bombs destroyed at that site.
(bolding mine)Mr. Blix emphasized that no evidence had so far been found of weapons of mass destruction being moved around by truck, of mobile production units for biological weapons or of underground facilities for chemical or biological production or storage
http://www.un.org/apps/news/storyAr.asp?NewsID=6383&Cr=iraq&Cr1=inspect
Here is an article on Americas "Eye-Witness" of WMD production:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/10/10/iraq.curveball/index.htmlAnd, it turned out, the CIA not only never spoke with him, it never even saw transcripts of the German interviews, only the Germans' analysis of the interviews.
As for British Intelligence look into the 'Butler Review'...
http://www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/20060105191702/http://www.butlerreview.org.uk/report/report.pdf
(It's quite a large document 216 pages so I wouldn't expect you to go through it all)
[sarcasm]There are plenty more reports of 'intelligence' showing that Iraq had WMDs [/sarcasm]
If you'd like them just let me know.
The main reason for the invasion of Iraq came from the Blix report to the UN, America didn't like the pace that was occurring and the UN did not agree with using force to get the program underway. In MY opinion it looks more like America actually just wanted an excuse to go in and topple Hussein.
They have a clear motive (as outlined from when Clinton was president and then it was brought to the table as an 'urgent' issue when Bush took power.) All to do with only toppling the regime, not WMD. Obviously the UN would not agree to using force to accelerate the programs occurring in Iraq.
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