Wavefunction properties tunneling effect

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The discussion revolves around the properties of wavefunctions in the context of quantum tunneling through a potential barrier. Participants explore the implications of boundary conditions on the wavefunction and its derivatives, particularly focusing on the requirement that the wavefunction and its first derivative must not be zero at certain points.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a wavefunction defined outside a potential barrier and questions the condition that leads to ##C \neq 0##, suggesting it relates to Cauchy's problem.
  • Another participant reiterates that if ##C = 0##, the wavefunction would be identically zero for ##x \ge a##, implying physical considerations prevent this scenario.
  • A third participant challenges the clarity of the problem setup, noting that the wavefunction is not defined in the interval ##(0,a)##, which complicates understanding the situation.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the coefficients on either side of the barrier should be determined by the continuity of the wavefunction and its derivative at the boundaries, indicating that the wavefunction in the region ##0 < x < a## must be considered to conclude that ##C \neq 0##.
  • Participants express confusion regarding the statement about eigenfunctions needing to be non-zero at points where their first derivatives are defined.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the implications of the boundary conditions for the wavefunction. There is disagreement on the clarity of the problem setup and the necessity of considering the wavefunction within the barrier region.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of a defined wavefunction in the interval ##(0,a)##, which may affect the analysis of continuity and boundary conditions. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the implications of the requirement that eigenfunctions and their derivatives cannot be zero at certain points.

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I am considering tunnel effect with a potential barrier of a certain height that is ##\neq 0## only for ##0 \le x \le a## . I write the Hamiltonian eigenfunctions outside the barrier as:## \psi_E(x)=\begin{cases}
e^{ikx}+Ae^{-ikx} \quad \quad x \le0 \\
Ce^{ikx} \quad \quad x\ge a \\
\end{cases} ##
where ##k^2=\frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}##. This system represents a particle that goes from ##\infnty## to ##0##, one part crosses the potential barrier and continues and one part goes back.

Now what I read in my notes is

"since the eigenfunctions of SE equation must not be equal to zero in a point with their first derivatives, then ##C \neq 0##".

How can I prove this statement? I think it is related to Cauchy's problem but I don't know how this implies that the eigenfunction would be equal to zero everywhere.
 
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Salmone said:
## \psi_E(x)=\begin{cases}
e^{ikx}+Ae^{-ikx} \quad \quad x \le0 \\
Ce^{ikx} \quad \quad x\ge a \\
\end{cases} ##
where ##k^2=\frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}##.

Now what I read in my notes is

"since the eigenfunctions of SE equation must not be equal to zero in a point with their first derivatives, then ##C \neq 0##".
If ##C = 0##, then the eigenfunction is identically zero for ##x \ge a##. I assume there are physical considerations that do not allow that.
 
We cannot answer your question, because you don't describe the specific setup considered. In QT you have to be very precise in the problem statement. Otherwise there's no chance to understand anything. Obviously your wave function is not defined in the interval ##(0,a)##. So even your state is not completely defined.
 
Salmone said:
@PeroK @vanhees71 I've edited the question.
It's been a while since I've looked at these problems, but I thought the coefficients on either side of the barrier were determined by the continuity of ##\psi(x)## and ##\frac{\partial \psi}{\partial x}## at the boundary of the barrier. So, you would need also to consider the wavefunction in the region ##0 < x < a##. That would force ##C \ne 0##.

I don't understand what this means:

Salmone said:
"since the eigenfunctions of SE equation must not be equal to zero in a point with their first derivatives, then ##C \neq 0##".
 
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