Wavelet Theory: Solving ∫t^pψ(t)dt=0

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical derivation related to wavelet theory, specifically how to transition from the integral equation ∫t^pψ(t)dt=0 to the equation ∑k (-1)^kk^pc_k=0. Participants are exploring the implications of this derivation and the conditions under which it holds, referencing specific equations from a text.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on how to derive ∑k (-1)^kk^pc_k=0 from the integral equation ∫t^pψ(t)dt=0.
  • Another participant suggests that the derivation is an approximation method based on definitions from earlier equations in the text.
  • A different participant expresses understanding of one equation (5.14) but struggles with obtaining 5.15 and 5.16, noting a discrepancy in their results.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of revisiting earlier derivations, explaining that for p=0, the zeroth moment of the wavelet function must be zero, implying that ψ must be odd.
  • Further, it is noted that for p=1, both the zeroth and first-order moments of the wavelet function must be zero, leading to additional integral conditions.
  • A participant describes their substitution of ψ(t) into the integral and expresses uncertainty about how to evaluate the resulting integral to reach the desired form.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the derivation process, with some expressing understanding of certain steps while others remain confused about specific transitions and results. Multiple competing views on the derivation methods and interpretations are present.

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Participants reference specific equations and derivations from a text, indicating that their understanding is contingent on those definitions. There are unresolved steps in the mathematical process, particularly regarding the evaluation of integrals and the implications of the wavelet function's properties.

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I don't understand how to get the equation \sum_k (-1)^kk^pc_k=0 from ∫t^pψ(t)dt=0 from here on page 80. Can somebody explain it?
 
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It's an approximation method - follows from the definitions in eqs. 5.12-13 on p79.
Can you see how 5.14 and 5.15 are obtained?
 
i can see 5.14 but i can not obtain 5.15 and 5.16.
Actually i get \sum_k (-1)^kc_k.0=0 instead of \sum_k (-1)^k k^p c_k=0 from the integral ∫t^p [\sum_k (-1)^kc_k \phi(2t+k-N+1)]dt=0.
 
Then you should go back over the derivations and make sure you understand what they are saying ... starting from the latest that you appear to be able to follow:

5.14 was the case for p=0.
i.e. ##\phi(t)## is capable of expressing only the zeroth monomial.
therefore, the zeroth-order moment of the wavelet function must be zero.
Which is to say...

$$\int_{-\infty}^\infty \psi(t)dt=0$$ ... which, to my mind, means that ##\psi## must be odd... which places limits on the expansion coefficients as the book says.

5.15 was the case for p=1 ... so ##\phi(t)## is capable of expressing up to the first monomial.
therefore, the zeroth and first-order moment of the wavelet function must be zero.
the zeroth order moment is above. The first order is given by...

$$\int t\psi(t)dt =0$$ ... so what steps did you follow from here?
 
I substituted

\psi(t)=[∑_k(−1)^kc_k\phi(2t+k−N+1)]

into

∫t\psi(t)dt.

Then i got

∫t[∑_k(−1)^kc_k\phi(2t+k−N+1)]dt=∑_k(−1)^kc_k∫t\phi(2t+k−N+1)]dt=0.

Actually i am not sure how to find the above integral but i did some change of variables and used integration by parts however i could not reach ∑_k(−1)^kkc_k.
 

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