We do we enlarge the gauge group of the electroweak theory?

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The discussion revolves around the enlargement of the gauge group in the electroweak theory, specifically the transition from SU(2) to SU(2)×U(1). Participants explore the roles of different gauge bosons, the representations of particles under these groups, and the implications of electroweak symmetry breaking.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the left-handed electron-electron neutrino doublet and the right-handed electron singlet, questioning how quarks fit into the SU(2) representation.
  • There is a proposal that the gauge group is enlarged to SU(2)×U(1) to unify the weak and electromagnetic interactions, but the exact reasoning is debated.
  • One participant mentions that U(1) is an abelian group with one generator and that weak hypercharge indicates how particles transform under this group.
  • Another participant clarifies that the original U(1) gauge boson is referred to as B0, and it mixes with the SU(2) gauge bosons to produce the photon and Z boson.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between weak hypercharge and electric charge, with some participants asserting that this mixing affects the observability of certain theoretical constructs like magnetic monopoles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement regarding the roles of different gauge bosons and the implications of the gauge group structure. Some questions remain unresolved, particularly about the necessity and implications of enlarging the gauge group.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings about the representations of particles under SU(2) and U(1), as well as the implications of electroweak symmetry breaking that are not fully explored.

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Hello,

I've been reading about the weak interaction.

Basically, the weak interaction couples to particles that are left-handed, and we introduce the electron-electron neutrino as a (left-handed) SU(2) doublet. So, the gauge bosons (W+, W-, and Z) transform SU(2) triplet. Am I right?

So...my question is...why do we enlarge the gauge group to SU(2)×U(1)? And what transforms in U(1)?
 
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AuraCrystal said:
So...my question is...why do we enlarge the gauge group to SU(2)×U(1)? And what transforms in U(1)?
What transforms in su(2)?
 
The left handed electron-electron neutrino doublet and the right-handed electron singlet? (And similarly for the other leptons.)
 
So, are you saying quarks don't transform in su(2)?
 
Haha oops! I forgot about the quark sector. I think they do transform in SU(2) though.
 
The name of the unification "electroweak" reveals the significance of the gauge groups. The weak isospin tells you in what representation of the su(2) (singlet, doublet, triplet) does the particle transform (together with its partners).

u(1) is an abelian group with only one generator. it has only one-dimensional representations. The weak hypercharge tells you the representation in which the particle transforms.

Due to electroweak symmetry breaking, T3 and B mix to give Z0, and the photon , which, as a Nambu-Goldstone boson, remains massless. The charge is a combination of the corresponding quantum numbers
<br /> Q = T_{3} + \frac{Y_{W}}{2}<br />
 
OK.

So...what is B?

And also, why do we enlarge the gauge group?
 
B is the boson coupling to the weak hypercharge (the u(1)). We do not enlarge the gauge group. It is a proposed model (Weinberg, Salam, Glashow) for unifying the weak and electromagnetic interaction. It is incorporated in the current Standard Model of elementary particles and fundamental interactions.
 
Oh I see. So we use it because it works?

So the particle that couples to the U(1) is not the photon but another boson? And when mixed, it gives the photon and the Z boson?

Does that have any relation to the fact that U(1) corresponds to weak hypercharge and not electric charge?
 
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AuraCrystal said:
So the particle that couples to the U(1) is not the photon but another boson? And when mixed, it gives the photon and the Z boson?

Correct. The "original" U(1) gauge boson is usually called the B0. The three "original" SU(2) gauge bosons are the W-, W0, and W+. The B0 and W0 mix to produce the photon and Z0.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroweak_interaction
 
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AuraCrystal said:
So the particle that couples to the U(1) is not the photon but another boson? And when mixed, it gives the photon and the Z boson?

Does that have any relation to the fact that U(1) corresponds to weak hypercharge and not electric charge?

Yes, it has everything to do with it. And, mind you, it's not simply a change in name, but, because of this mixing, we can't observe t'Hooft-Polyakov magnetic monopoles due to topological defects that break a simple su(2) symmetry.


BTW, this alternative theory was also considered a viable candidate for electroweak unification. Unfortunately, it does not predict the Z0 boson.
 
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OK, I think I understand now.

Thank you! :)
 

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