Weighing a bowling ball project

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a project aimed at measuring the weight distribution of a bowling ball using two digital scales. Participants explore the mechanics of balancing the ball and the implications of torque in the setup, as well as the design considerations for the apparatus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their project setup involving two digital scales and a board to measure the weight difference between the top and bottom halves of a bowling ball, noting the influence of the placement of the feet on the scales.
  • Another participant suggests a design involving a central hole for the ball and a hinge mechanism to maintain balance while allowing for rotation, proposing a method to calculate the center of mass based on scale readings.
  • A participant requests clarification on the hinge design and shares a sketch of their current setup.
  • Further discussion addresses the purpose of the hinge, with one participant explaining that it acts as a knife edge to prevent sideways forces on the scales while keeping the legs at a fixed distance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various design ideas and methods for measuring the weight distribution, with no consensus reached on the optimal approach or the necessity of certain components like the hinge.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the mechanics of the setup, such as the influence of torque and the behavior of the scales under different configurations, which remain unresolved.

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Individuals interested in experimental physics, engineering design, or those working on similar projects involving weight distribution and balance measurements may find this discussion relevant.

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In bowling, the ball will have a heavy spot marked as the center of gravity (cg). This will have an additional 1oz to 5 oz of weight to compensate for when the fingers are drilled into the ball.

In bowling a dodo scale is used to measure the difference in static weight of the bowling ball.

This link provides some diagrams and better wording

http://www.jayhawkbowling.com/Pro_s_Corner/Balancing___Weig/balance.html

My project is using two digital scales to measure the difference in weight between the top half of the ball compared to the bottom half.

So far I have two digital scales. A board with the center marked to hold the ball inplace. I have feet to put under the board that will touch each scale. After placing scales side by side with the ball directly centered over the two scales on the board I placed the feet 5" from the center of the ball on either side. Everything is centered and balanced. The problem is where the feet are located dictates the amount of force applied to the scale and thus affects the weight shown.


Besides standard trial and error of moving the feet to get the correct distance I was curious how to do this correctly.

I am guessing the formula for torque is involved but that's as far as I've gotten. T= L x F

Further the way this works is I have the heavy spot of the ball facing one scale. Zero out the scales and rotate the heavy spot 180 degrees to the other scale to get the difference marked on both scales.


Thanks for the help.
 
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Consider a short board with a central hole to locate the ball, about half the ball diameter.
Put a pair of pointed feet fixed on one side resting on the first scales A.
Fix a flap hinge that can remain close to 90° on the other side resting on the second scales B.
Set it up, then zero both scales. Then seat the ball in the hole at the centre of the board.
With rotation check the total of the two scales remains constant, giving the weight of the ball.

As the ball is rotated, the eccentric weight will be transferred from one side to the other. Model the ball as being a point mass. The readings on the scales can give you the position of the point mass relative to the baseline. If the base line is length s and scale readings are A and B then the position of the balls centre of mass will be; s * B / (A+B) along the baseline from scale A.
 
Need a little help visually on the hinge part of this design. Heres a sketch of what I have put together so far.
 

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Got it. Just curious what is the point of the hinge?

Thank you
 
It is a knife edge. It stops the sideways forces on the scales while maintaining the distance between the legs.
It might not be necessary if the top of the scales were free to slide sideways slightly.
 

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