Weinberg's dark matter idea re fractional cosmic neutrinos

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on Steven Weinberg's proposal regarding Goldstone bosons acting as fractional cosmic neutrinos, which may influence the effective number of neutrino types prior to recombination. Participants explore the implications of this idea within the context of dark matter theories and the associated challenges in parameter fitting.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants appreciate Weinberg's reasoning and the use of approximate estimates to refine the parameter space related to Neff and fractional neutrino species.
  • Others express skepticism about the conclusion of the paper, noting it lacks a strong resolution and questioning the feasibility of further elaboration on the idea.
  • It is suggested that many models of dark matter might incorporate Weinberg's idea, particularly those that propose dark interactions unique to dark matter.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the necessity for the Goldstone mass to have a specific order of magnitude, which some view as a potential drawback of the proposal.
  • Participants note that the fine-tuning of parameters is a common issue in minimal beyond the Standard Model (BSM) theories, which may limit the robustness of the proposed idea.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; while some find merit in Weinberg's approach, others highlight significant concerns and uncertainties regarding its implications and the need for further development.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects limitations related to the assumptions underlying the proposed model, particularly regarding the fine-tuning of parameters and the broader applicability of the idea within existing dark matter frameworks.

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Weinberg's dark matter idea re "fractional cosmic neutrinos"

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.1971v1.pdf
http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.1971
Goldstone Bosons as Fractional Cosmic Neutrinos
Steven Weinberg
(Submitted on 8 May 2013)
It is suggested that Goldstone bosons may be masquerading as fractional cosmic neutrinos, contributing about 0.39 to what is reported as the effective number of neutrino types in the era before recombination. The broken symmetry associated with these Goldstone bosons is further speculated to be the conservation of the particles of dark matter.
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But how do you like the paper? I posted notice of it particularly because I was interested to learn your reaction to the idea, and those of a few others.
 
I like his mode of reasoning, leaping from one reasonable assumption to the next and using approximate order of magnitude estimates to narrow the parameter space. And, the case for Neff being associated with a fractional neutrino species is favored by the data.

On the other hand, it ends with a fizzle instead of a bang, and it is hard to know if there is a way to elaborate the idea further to see if it really makes sense.
 
marcus said:
But how do you like the paper?
The idea goes on the list of possibilities. Many models now suppose that dark matter has dark interactions of its own, new forces which only it feels, and some of them might in future incorporate Weinberg's idea as an explanation of Neff, depending on how well it fits.

That the goldstone mass has to have just the right order of magnitude (equation 9) for this to work, might be regarded as a point against the idea. This is also a characteristic shortcoming of all the "minimal" BSM theories - they freely employ finetuning of parameters, in order to squeeze all the required new physics into a minimal extension of the SM. Still, that exercise tends to be instructive, and turns up ideas which could be used in a larger, more relaxed model.
 
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