Were ancient civilizations using pyramids as a form of GPS technology?

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The discussion centers on the discovery of a 720 ft high step pyramid in Visoko, Bosnia-Herzegovina, and the possibility that it may represent an ancient form of GPS technology. Researchers have identified two smaller pyramids connected by tunnels to the larger one, suggesting a strategic global layout of such structures. There is skepticism regarding the authenticity of the pyramids, with critics questioning the evidence and the claims made by Semir Osmanagic, who proposes that the site could be over 12,000 years old. Ongoing archaeological excavations are set to further investigate these claims, with international teams involved. The potential implications of this discovery could significantly alter historical narratives and boost local tourism.
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Aca said:
Maybe you are Enver or Zilka, maybe you are ustasa or chetnik!

Those "archelogists" were called by Enver Imamovic and Zilka Kujundzic, two Bosnian "archelogists" who are becoming dangeorusly jelous about the discovery so they are doing everything to stop the project! It was nice to spend years in the air-conditioned government funded office jerking off and massaging your clit Zilka (i apologize for the language moderator)...but now you have to accept the truth! You have to roll up the sleevs and apologize to Semir and ask him if you could be part of the excavation group! I am sure he will find something for you to do; bring water and food to the workers for the start!:smile:

I don't have to explain anything else...

here are newest pictures from the Bosnian pyramid of the sun...and you tell me that's not human made...man i would slap you so hard you would not remember your name for a few days! I respect opinions of others, ofcourse, but this person here is not sharing an opinion but he/she is rather provoking!

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/100606/piramidamjeseca_s1_10.jpg
http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/100606/piramidamjeseca_s1_5.jpg
http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/100606/piramidamjeseca_s10_7.jpg
http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/100606/img10f.jpg
http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/100606/piramidamjeseca_s1_12.jpg

Btw, Carl thanks for your support and others' as well!

I don't know how Zilka gets off on a personal level but her collection of artifacts at the National Museum is interesting. I am directing your attention to a collection of figurines that have a Mesopotamian/Egyptian and even Sumerian quality to them. They are carved from Agate or some other semi precious stone in a southern manner rather than in the manner I would expect from Bosnia.

http://www.zemaljskimuzej.ba/images/arheologija/neolit_butmir.htm

Aca, I thought the photos you've posted are from one of the lesser sites.

:::I have concerns about Sam's method of excavation and I think there have been other people expressing similar concerns.

There seems to be a big rush to uncover what is thought to be a large structure that's over a metre under several layers of substrate and loam (dirt and debris).

The modern techniques of Archaeology demand methodical removal of each layer and a total screening of the substrate removed to catch stray smaller artifacts.

I don't see any screens or piles of screened dirt. Sam may be inadvertently be destroying evidence of other cultures in his hurry to prove the existence of one, single culture. This is not a good idea because one can find clues to the people before and after... and ideas that help fill the picture of what's been going on in Visoko during history and pre-history.

If there are cedar and other highly acidic trees in the region then most of any bone material has disintegrated. But one must still take great care when excavating and find all evidence (to within a few millimetres of size) of culture on the way through the top soils to the facing of the pyramid... if that's what it is.

And it does look like a facing of some kind. Here are more recent photos of the "composite" type blocks Sam's dug up.

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/news_item.asp?NewsID=54

Imagine the Trillion Gallons of water that hit these "hills" during glacial melt down. Any superficial facing would have been cracked and dislodged... probably sliding down the faces of a structure. Is this what we're seeing in these photos?
 
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Ofcourse the collection she has at the museum is interesting! But every artifact you see in that museum is not her work nor did she recovered it! But that's not the point; the point is that they are using every method possible to stop the excavation project! Why?

Haven't they seen the latest pictures (i mean the latest carl, they are unbelieveble) and yet they keep pressuring the idea that decorating floors we can see on the pictures are ruins from the old Bosnian city! OK! How do you explain the fact that it is now burried two meters under soil? The ancient Bosnian city that sits on top was not build before 1200's, and until know that period of time is definately not long enough to forget that kind of Earth movement or whatever happened to burry it two meters under soil!

Since the world's best archeologists have denied Osmanagic's claim for now mr. Osmanagic is the best we've got so far!
 
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  • #63
Aca said:
Ofcourse the collection she has at the museum is interesting! But every artifact you see in that museum is her work nor did she recovered it! But that's not the point; the point is that they are using every method possible to stop the excavation project! Why?

Haven't they seen the latest pictures (i mean the latest carl, they are unbelieveble) and yet they keep pressuring the idea that decorating floors we can see on the pictures are ruins from the old Bosnian city! OK! How do you explain the fact that it is now burried two meters under soil? The ancient Bosnian city that sits on top was not build before 1200's, and until know that period of time is definately not long enough to forget that kind of Earth movement or whatever happened to burry it two meters under soil!

Since the world's best archeologists have denied Osmanagic's claim for now mr. Osmanagic is the best we've got so far!

I didn't realize there was such thing as the "best archaeologist in the world". Is there a Best Archaeologist's Awards Show where they hand out a golden toothbrush or flatnosed shovel?

As long as Sam and his contingent can hold off the Jet Bombers and any other destructive influences trying to physically destroy his insightful discovery... it won't be long before we know exactly what is hidden by the metre of dirt and the trees of the Visko hills!

Cool Aca! If you go back to Bosnia please say hi for me and mention the modern method of uncovering an archaeological masterpiece such as this. Screen the dirt for miniscule artifacts. Record where evidences are found... at what level and in what position to other features.

If the excavation is done in accordance with international standards there'll be less in-coming B***S*** from the archaeological community interests. Peace now!
 
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Bosnian Pyramids Known about for a long time in Yukoslavia

Hey Aca...

Why didn't you say?

My friend from Croatia just said that the pyramids have been known about in former Yukoslavia for decades. Its only Sam who is cashing in on the beauties!

Everyone used to talk about it but no one ever excavated them. It wasn't until the Sarijavo (sp) Olympics that some people started to wonder what the locals were talking about.

This sort of Local Knowledge fits right in with my philosophy. Let the locals do the archaeology... they are the "best archaeologists" in the world to do the work because they have all the information about the area.
 
  • #65
quantumcarl said:
Hey Aca...

Why didn't you say?

My friend from Croatia just said that the pyramids have been known about in former Yukoslavia for decades. Its only Sam who is cashing in on the beauties!

Everyone used to talk about it but no one ever excavated them. It wasn't until the Sarijavo (sp) Olympics that some people started to wonder what the locals were talking about.

This sort of Local Knowledge fits right in with my philosophy. Let the locals do the archaeology... they are the "best archaeologists" in the world to do the work because they have all the information about the area.

Yeah! You are right! The locals seem to know much more then anyone else! I think it was at the end of 1970's when the JNA (Yugoslav National Army) came and mined the two biggest opening on Visocica! The locals who are now relatively old could tell you when they were kids they used to go very deep inside tunnels and some said we could hear like a huge amounts of water passing through! I can't wait to go there again!

But it was "someones" plan not to outspread the word.
 
  • #66
Aca said:
Yeah! You are right! The locals seem to know much more then anyone else! I think it was at the end of 1970's when the JNA (Yugoslav National Army) came and mined the two biggest opening on Visocica! The locals who are now relatively old could tell you when they were kids they used to go very deep inside tunnels and some said we could hear like a huge amounts of water passing through! I can't wait to go there again!

But it was "someones" plan not to outspread the word.

There are people writing total, flat, outright criticisms of Sam's work and there are people from around the world actually, physically going to Visoko to help him excavate.

The claims coming from the critics are just as baseless as the claims being made on the Bosnian Pyramid site. We need properly excavated proof and tickets to Bosnia.

As I have already pointed out: the site must be excavated with respect for all the previous cultures that have inhabited that area. There are specific methods to use in going about this.

Doing so and using these methods will generate a calm in the Archaeological community about this claim to discovery and Sam may even see a contribution of support from the "officials"... instead of receiving armchair rhetoric and widespread literary claims of fraud, misrepresentation and opportunism.

Thank you​

Archaeological excavation involves meticulous recording of the location of all artifacts, fossils, and other items of interest. How this information will be recorded is established at the beginning of a dig. Researchers commonly use a grid system to record the objects found in a site. A grid system is anchored to a baseline called a datum point. The datum point serves as the center of reference for the location of artifacts, other remains, and features of the terrain. By using such a system, archaeologists can record the precise horizontal position of any find, however small, with reference to other objects in the dig. They also record the precise vertical location of each object, according to the geological and occupation layers in which they are buried.

Using computerized recording equipment and three-dimensional plots, researchers can recreate a site on a computer screen for analysis. Computer-based mapping systems, such as GIS, aid archaeologists in creating precise surveys of major sites and in reconstructing the design of ruined buildings down to intricate architectural features.

The details of excavation methods vary from one site to the next, but the basic principles of careful recording and precise archaeological methods remain the same everywhere—on land or in water, for the excavation of a 2-million-year-old site or a 19th-century city neighborhood. Many archaeologists distinguish between three general forms of excavation: test pits, vertical excavations, and horizontal excavations. Test pits are small holes dug at spaced intervals to establish the extent of a site. Vertical excavations are trenches dug to the depth of sterile bedrock (bedrock that contains little or no organic or human-made material). Vertical excavations establish dates and sequences of human occupation of a site. Horizontal excavations cover large areas of land and provide information on the layout of entire campsites, villages, or city precincts. Modern horizontal excavations involve numerous small digs to reduce damage to the archaeological record.

From: http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761572159_6/Archaeology.html

It makes sense to follow these rules. I don't see any evidence of these methods being followed in the hills of Bosnia.
 
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Well Carl, as long as they are not using a dynamite to uncover the patches they might not destroy a lot of evidence! So who what are they supposed to do? The officials (domestic and foreign) are laughing at his discovery, droping every claim about the discovery, calling him "sharlatan" and other bad names.

Mr. Osmanagic has called the officials again to join him but no answer! Is he supposed to stop the project? With a showel over his shoulder, quitetly whistling, walk down the hill and stop it all right there!

The reason why i am so exited is not only because the site is in Bosnia but because i LOVE history, I love archeology and i am so desprate to know the builders of these structures!
 
  • #68
There's an amateur video online of climbing to the top, or near the top, of the pyramid. It doesn't show much archaeologically, but I got a good sense of how big the thing is.

[MEDIA=youtube]-JigXhEZRuE[/MEDIA]&search=visoko[/URL]

And in case you haven't seen it yet, there's a report available online in .pdf format that might clear up a thing or two:

[QUOTE]Measurements made by the Geodetic Institute of Bosnia and Herzegovina suggest that northern portion of Visocica/Bosnian Pyramid of Sun is forming geometric feature of triangle, with equal sides of 365 meters and inner angles of 60 degrees.

Measurements made by the Geodetic Institute of Bosnia and Herzegovina indicate that the sides of Visocica/Bosnian Pyramid of Sun are exactly aligned with the cardinal sides [directions] of the world (north-south, east-west), which is one of the characteristics often noted with the existing pyreamids. North side of the mound is oriented towards stellar north (like the Great Pyramid of Egypt), in parallel with the position of the North Star.

Analysis of satellite imagery suggested that the three main pyramids in the Bosnian Pyramid VAlley form an equilateral triangle. The independent verification of this hypothesis came from the Katdastral Office from the County of Visoko, who after precise GPS measurements of the hilltops determined that all angles are symmetric (60 degrees) and that the distances among all three hilltops are the same.

...the mound was hit by artillery fire in the course of war operations in Bosnia between 1992-95.

http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/images/pdf/Bosnian%20pyramidsScientificReportMay2006.pdf[/QUOTE]


The report also includes a topographical map showing the five suspect hills. It's no wonder there's been confusion over their alignment. The outermost three appear to form an equilateral triangle, or at least close to it. Another set of three hills is aligned as in the belt of Orion. The arrangement of the other two suggests, if you turn the map upside down, the sword of Orion, though that's more of a stretch.

The last picture shows a sandstone slab in a tunnel being cleared of rubble with a shovel. Isn't that a bit crude for an archaeological dig?

[QUOTE=Aca]this person here is not sharing an opinion but he/she is rather provoking![/QUOTE]

Well, he/she is provoking you, anyway, and it's working. Your post was the most tasteless I've seen on these forums.
 
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Well, ofcourse it's tasteless for you!:wink:
 
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There is no pyramids in Bosnia. Offiicials from Country Musesm in Sarajevo (capital of B&H) called Osmanagic complete fraud. Yesterday (9th june) two archeologists from European Union of Archeologists visited Bosnia (not about pyramids but about more serious things) and on their way stopped in Visoko. At the press conference which was organized not about pyramids, but pyramids did became main subject, they declared that there in no human made pyramids in Visoko. Osmanagic is compplete sharlatan and people like Aca are the same lost like Osmanagic himself. And the worst and the sadest thing is that nationalists from bosnian muslims corpus are using pyramids in their everyday attacks on other two nations in bosnia. Last time i put this post iansmith (I supouse that he colud be some moderator) told me to put some links maybe like some kind of evidence or proof. serious media in bosnia and region are very carefull and suspicious about pyramids. they are not in rush to pubilsh every word which ocures about it, especilaly those comming from eskavation site from osmanagic crew. but when some respected scientist like that one in links belowe says something, it is broadcast all over the world. I live here (in B&H) and me, and many more normal people which are reasonable nonnationalist but patriots don't believe in pyramids. I would be very, very happy that pyramids exists in my country, who wouldn't. that can mean more money for everyone and more imoprtant, positive promotion of my country in world. I am very sad that with this "pyramids" nationalists are making bosnia again
subject to laugh.:((

http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/09-06-2006/81816-Bosnia-0
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=2061081
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060610/ap_on_sc/bosnia_pyramid_controversy
http://my.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20060609/4488f240_3ca6_1552620060609-982050277
http://www.archaeology.eu.com/weblog/
http://archaeoastronomy.co.uk/2006/04/26/final-thoughts-on-bosnian-pyramid/so! for everyone coming here on this forum, BE Carefulll! like I said bosnian muslims nationalists are using pyramids, (which don't exists but it their confused evil minds manipulated by complete fraud and sharlatan Osmanagic, and many more local nationalist) for promotion of their evil nationalism polluted vision of bosnia and herzegovina.
 
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nesoxy said:
There is no pyramids in Bosnia. Offiicials from Country Musesm in Sarajevo (capital of B&H) called Osmanagic complete fraud. Yesterday (9th june) two archeologists from European Union of Archeologists visited Bosnia (not about pyramids but about more serious things) and on their way stopped in Visoko. At the press conference which was organized not about pyramids, but pyramids did became main subject, they declared that there in no human made pyramids in Visoko. Osmanagic is compplete sharlatan and people like Aca are the same lost like Osmanagic himself. And the worst and the sadest thing is that nationalists from bosnian muslims corpus are using pyramids in their everyday attacks on other two nations in bosnia. Last time i put this post iansmith (I supouse that he colud be some moderator) told me to put some links maybe like some kind of evidence or proof. serious media in bosnia and region are very carefull and suspicious about pyramids. they are not in rush to pubilsh every word which ocures about it, especilaly those comming from eskavation site from osmanagic crew. but when some respected scientist like that one in links belowe says something, it is broadcast all over the world. I live here (in B&H) and me, and many more normal people which are reasonable nonnationalist but patriots don't believe in pyramids. I would be very, very happy that pyramids exists in my country, who wouldn't. that can mean more money for everyone and more imoprtant, positive promotion of my country in world. I am very sad that with this "pyramids" nationalists are making bosnia again
subject to laugh.:((

http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/09-06-2006/81816-Bosnia-0
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=2061081
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060610/ap_on_sc/bosnia_pyramid_controversy
http://my.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20060609/4488f240_3ca6_1552620060609-982050277
http://www.archaeology.eu.com/weblog/
http://archaeoastronomy.co.uk/2006/04/26/final-thoughts-on-bosnian-pyramid/


so! for everyone coming here on this forum, BE Carefulll! like I said bosnian muslims nationalists are using pyramids, (which don't exists but it their confused evil minds manipulated by complete fraud and sharlatan Osmanagic, and many more local nationalist) for promotion of their evil nationalism polluted vision of bosnia and herzegovina.

My dear professor, you have forgotten to include your "stop-the-project petition" link!:smile:

You are a joke man! From your posts i can only conclude that you are either a chetnik or ustasha or both! As i said before i could care less about Osmanagic and his claims. As long as the excavation continues i am happy.

Does it have to be a pyramid? Apsolutely not! As a matter of fact, i would be more happy if what we have already seen are the ruins of some very, very, very old city! I will include the direct links to the photos so you could probably explain it what it is and how it got burried under meters of soil! But you are not inteligent enough for such a task!

We attack the "other two nation" in Bosnia every day! Who killed 8 thousand men and boys as young as 13 years old in Srebrenica in the last war? Chetniks and ustashas! Who destroyed the cities across Bosnia? Chetniks and ustashas! How many civilians got shot by snipers in Sarajevo while they were on the streets? Thousands! Who killed them? Chetnici and ustashe! Who started the last war in the first place? srbs and croats! And BTW, there is only one nation in Bosnia - the Bosnians. Now, they are either muslims, catholics or orthodox...etc, etc...if you don't feel that way pack your stuff buddy and hit the road!

You are avoiding the evidence just like those two baboons in Sarajevo! The only answer they could come up with was that it is a Bosnian city that sits on top...hm! How did it end up 12 feet under? Tell me that genius!

now back to the pictures...these are great!

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/140606/bpm_s1_13.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/15060602/Bosanska-piramida-Sunca-03.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/15060602/Bosanska-piramida-Sunca-02.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/15060602/Bosanska-piramida-Sunca-01.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/140606/bpm_s1_15.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/140606/bpm_s1_12.jpg
 
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  • #72
Tojen said:
There's an amateur video online of climbing to the top, or near the top, of the pyramid. It doesn't show much archaeologically, but I got a good sense of how big the thing is.

[MEDIA=youtube]-JigXhEZRuE[/MEDIA]&search=visoko[/URL]

And in case you haven't seen it yet, there's a report available online in .pdf format that might clear up a thing or two:

The report also includes a topographical map showing the five suspect hills. It's no wonder there's been confusion over their alignment. The outermost three appear to form an equilateral triangle, or at least close to it. Another set of three hills is aligned as in the belt of Orion. The arrangement of the other two suggests, if you turn the map upside down, the sword of Orion, though that's more of a stretch.

The last picture shows a sandstone slab in a tunnel being cleared of rubble with a shovel. Isn't that a bit crude for an archaeological dig?
Well, he/she is provoking you, anyway, and it's working. Your post was the most tasteless I've seen on these forums.[/QUOTE]

With this amount of emotional energy that has been spent on both trashing and supporting the existence of Bosnian pyramids... the hills could have been properly excavated, instead, by now.:devil:

Aca, the aerial photos are good. I'd like to see the other side of the main contender for a pyramid, and how it shapes up.

I don't know why there is so much opposition to this study. Now that I've seen these shots of the excavations at the "P of the Moon" it looks much better controled.

The strata down to the masonry is well preserved for following stratification of any other cultural occupation... good work Sam!

Please try to leave all the rivalry in the water... under the bridge. Any competitions or bad feelings between the citizens of former Yugoslavia will only hinder the growth of her newly formed nations. This would include developments such as are taking place in Visoko... and elsewhere.

Viva la Balkins!
 
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  • #73
Tojen... the walk to the top of the pyramids is really enlightening.

You'd be hard pressed to see so many vistors at any other archaeological site. Viva Visoko! Man these people are going to clean up this summer... if not for a long time afterwards.

The path up the corner of the hill is interesting and shows some evidence of megalithic handy work that may or may not be associated with a very large pyramid. Very large!

EDIT

I went through the PDF document you linked us to and its really quite nicely laid out.

I saw a lot of the claims on the early versions of the website but this presentation of them is better and clearer. Plus there are new images...

for instance some of the photos of sandstone and "pyramid walls" are newer shots. Decifering the origins of these anomalies is made difficult when doing so by photos.

However, one cannot ignore the features of these finds. The pyramidal shape oriented to N S E W and echoed again further up the valley would have me declaring a monumental find as well.

There's no blaming or ridiculing Mr. Osmanagic for his expediant reaction to an obvious anomaly.

The shovel being ground into the surrounding strata in the tunnel is no surprise in archaeology. I have often excavated with a flat-nose shovel in cultural material that was much more sensitive than a 7 tonne, shaped and worn sandstone block. So, its ok and its cool.

I may have been a bit hard on the seasoned pyramidologist since I see today that his excavations do have some resemblence to what is termed "modern archaeology". I am sensitive myself to this because I studied under the late "Father of Modern Archaeology", Dr. Charles ("lets go skinny dippin'")Borden.

And Sam has followed one of Dr. Borden's main rules... his use of perfectly vertically cut walls of the excavation pit. It has to be perfectly vertically cut because that is the best way to get a reading of the stratification surrounding the excavation pit.

Sam followed this rule to a tee. Its like Herr Borden was standing over him running a ruler along the pit walls looking for warps in his stratification. Then he'd suggest a swim in the slough or the river because it was 115 degrees F.

I also noticed the bit about the target practise or artillary fire at the main feature of this find. This is what I mean... what's with all the opposition against a find like this?:confused:
 
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  • #74
Tojen said:
Thanks for the photos, Aca. The aligned slabs are the most convincing for me so far.

After reading about the 9,000 year old submerged city off the coast of India, I'm looking differently at new discoveries like the Bosnian pyramid, but I still have problems with Osmanagic's reasoning.
[SNIP]
For the time being, that's the most that I can aspire to. :frown: Speaking of which, Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings arrived today. Looks great so far but I wish I knew more about cartography.

(Pardon my intermittent posting here, but I've worked 14 days in a row now and still counting...)

H Tojen

That date for the submerged city comes from one of the 2 C14 dates from a piece of wood dredged up from the site. That piece of wood could have drifted there down the river, it could have gotten there any number of ways and has no secure relationship to any structures there. The outline of the structures matches the outline of Harappan structures, so that is probablyh a Harappan city/settlement, could be 4000 or so years old.

As for Hapgood, you need to take him with a large dose of salt. Especially when it comes to the Piri Re'is map. There seems to be no trace of his informant, but more importantly not only do we know now that Antarctica was uninhabitable at the time he thinks it was mapped, no one until recently has the techniques to know what Antarctica could look like under the ice.

The Piri Re'is map follows a not unusual convention of bending the land to fit the paper -- that's South America at the bottom, not Antarctica. There are 2 really good books on the map, one is in Turkish so I recommend The Piri Reis Map of 1513 by Gregory C. McIntosh

and these web sites:
http://www.intersurf.com/~chalcedony/wildside.html
(which discusses some other of Hapgood's claims)
http://www.ramtops.co.uk
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/PiriRies.HTM
http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/Piri_Re'is_map
and for a translation of the text on the Piri Re'is map:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/piri/pirikey.htm
 
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  • #75
quantumcarl said:
Aca, please tell me if the configuration of the Three pyramids matches the configuration of the three in Italy and the three in Egypt. (two in line and one a few degrees off that line)

The alignment of the three Egyptian pyramids is thought to be a representation of Orion's Belt (from its stellar configuration of 12,000 years ago). 2 of the pyramids are on a line and one is off-set by a specific amount of degrees. If you look at Orion's Belt in the sky at night you'll see the configurtion (slightly different alignment today)

You seem to be well informed about the VISOKO, Bosnia-Herzegovina stuctures so if you can find any information on this question it would be great. Thanks.

That alleged alignment is hotly contested, see various articles here:

http://www.hallofmaat.com/modules.php?name=Topics
 
  • #76
quantumcarl said:
My own belief is that, because pyramids were built all over the world (and there's proof of that), it must have been done under the influence of one rather prolific civilization. The method of building is different but the coordinates and positioning is always the same with the faces facing all four cardinal points of the compass.

Sorry, that's not true, pyramids in other parts of the world not only have different methods of construction but different coordinates/positioning, and different purposes.
 
  • #77
quantumcarl said:
Looks like Dr Aly Abd Barakat (an expert on Egyptian pyramids who we have discussed) thinks the large blocks on the face of the largest pyramidal hill in Visoko are a type of poured concrete... as we also suspected! God we're good:eek:


From the same blog as above: http://www.stuart-hall.com/blog/Bosnianpyramids

I've seen that statement too. I really hope Barakat didn't make that claim. I know Hawass doesn't think that the Egyptians built the pyramids with poured concrete blocks. (And we have the quarries in Egypt where the stone actually came from). If he did claim that, I've no respect for him. Mind you, he did confused sand dollar fossils for human fossils in the Sudan.
 
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  • #78
Aca said:
Carl, tere is a long text with more detailed info that i will try to translate into english. But, they say that the pyramids in Bosnia have the same configuration as the Cheops pyramid in Egypt...having said that there are tunnels under the pyramids with intersections which are alligned perferctly with east-west, north-south.

The length of all sides (from top, down) are "365" meters in length so creating an even-sided triangle with 60&186; on each angle - in other words there is a deviation on geographical north of 21' and that alligns the pyramid perfectly with the "North star" i don't know how that star is called in english but i am sure you know what i am talking about.

Carl, so far they have been compering them with the pyramids in Egypt so i really don't have much on the Italian pyramids...altough i searched!

Any evidence for that bit about the tunnels? The young archaeologist that was going to map them, Sead Pilav, tells me he worked there in May for 3 days and then left because he "realized that entire project was unprofessional and unserious".
 
  • #79
DougWeller said:
Any evidence for that bit about the tunnels? The young archaeologist that was going to map them, Sead Pilav, tells me he worked there in May for 3 days and then left because he "realized that entire project was unprofessional and unserious".

Oh well, here at this site you can see the latest excavation pictures of the tunnels! You can also click on the previous links to see other great photos!

www.piramidasunca.ba
 
  • #80
Aca said:
Oh well, here at this site you can see the latest excavation pictures of the tunnels! You can also click on the previous links to see other great photos!

www.piramidasunca.ba

There are definitely tunnels there, probably mining tunnels. I was questioning the perfect intersections.
 
  • #81
DougWeller said:
There are definitely tunnels there, probably mining tunnels. I was questioning the perfect intersections.

Well the project is still at the very start! Even with all of this evidence they are still having a hard time convincing the skeptics and ignorants that at least "something" is there.

I am sure the tunnels will be mapped very soon and be available for us to see. Until then we can only wait and see!

BTW, i am not sure that any mining has ever been done under Visocica!
 
  • #82
DougWeller said:
That alleged alignment is hotly contested, see various articles here:

http://www.hallofmaat.com/modules.php?name=Topics

All the internet can do is point our interest in a direction where we can verify or de-bunk a claim... for ourselves. Opinion and vague references have no value toward verification.

As Aca is saying we have to give the Bosnians time to put their money where their mouth is. I hear there's a pyramid there... show me the pyramid... take as long as you like!

The attempts to deflate the energy surrounding the whole Valley of the Sun project are uncalled for.
Sam will, no doubt, do a good job of it, given the circumstances.....I don't see many other archaeologists sticking their neck out quite as far to verify their vision and their beliefs.

Just try to re-think the "alien connection" to the pyramids.
 
  • #83
DougWeller said:
Sorry, that's not true, pyramids in other parts of the world not only have different methods of construction but different coordinates/positioning, and different purposes.

Where is your reference for this claim?
 
  • #84
DougWeller said:
I've seen that statement too. I really hope Barakat didn't make that claim. I know Hawass doesn't think that the Egyptians built the pyramids with poured concrete blocks. (And we have the quarries in Egypt where the stone actually came from). If he did claim that, I've no respect for him. Mind you, he did confused sand dollar fossils for human fossils in the Sudan.

Hawass doesn't think? its concrete? you mean he's not sure? Where is your reference for these claims?
 
  • #85
DougWeller said:
Any evidence for that bit about the tunnels? The young archaeologist that was going to map them, Sead Pilav, tells me he worked there in May for 3 days and then left because he "realized that entire project was unprofessional and unserious".
What importance should we place on young Sead Pilav's complaints?

Thou doest protest too much... and to no end.
 
  • #86
All four sides of every major pyramid are aligned with the four cardinal points of the compass.

Giza Plateau: (Memphis)

Pyramids of Egypt, are very numerous, counting both great and small; but the most remarkable are the three Pyramids of Memphis, or, as they are now called, of Gheisa or Gize. They are square Pyramids, and the dimensions of the greatest of them, are 700 feet on each side of the base, and the oblique height or slant side the same; its base covers, or stands upon, nearly 11 acres of ground. It is thought by some that these Pyramids were designed and used as gnomons, for astronomical purposes; and it is remarkable that their four sides are accurately in the direction of the four cardinal points of the compass, east, west, north, and south.

From: http://archimedes.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/cgi-bin/toc/toc.cgi?page=1011;dir=hutto_dicti_078_en_1795;step=textonly

Teotihuacan:

It is believed that when this city was inhabited the Pyramid of the Sun was covered with stucco, with each one of the four sides painted in a different color. Since in reality the name of Pyramid of the Sun was given when it was already in ruins, the theory has emerged that it was not dedicated to the sun but to the six cardinal points. The Earth on the platform, one side for each of the same as ours four cardinal points and the sixth side, the top, points to space.

From: http://www.caminandosinrumbo.com/mexico/teotihuacan/sole.htm

China:

The relationship between monuments and
settings before modern times.

Before modern times, monuments had usually much
greater size than other buildings and made profound impacts
on surrounding landscapes. Especially, the impacts of
large-scale monuments of the early civilizations, like
Pyramid in Egypt, Ziggurat in Mesopotamia, and Imperial
mausoleum in ancient China, were most impressive and
dramatic. First of all, this enormousness of impact on
surroundings made them monument.

But their impacts on surroundings were not at all one-way
relationship. The monuments themselves were obliged to
follow the principles which were considered to be inherent
in their surroundings. We find several kinds of such principle
in the history of city and architecture.

The most definite example is the layout of monument
depending on absolute orientations. Four sides of (China's)
Pyramid are running along the compass directions. Four corners of
Ziggurat direct cardinal points. It seems the people in the
ancient Near East believed their monuments were assured of
permanence by following the perpetual principle in the
universe's.

From: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache...mid+cardinal+points&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=20

Italy:
And, of course you can go back to Tojen's post that links us to the Italian pyramid that holds a similar alignment to the Giza Plateau pyramids including aligning to the Cardinal Points.

Bosnia:
Not to mention the claimed and acclaimed Bosnian Pyramids which also fall in with the alignment of the cardinal points.

PS. Doug Weller, are you related to Diggs Downers or Spade Trenchler, or possibly Dee P. Shovler?
 
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  • #87
Ok, no more mystical mumbo jumbo.

Discussion will be limited to the "investigation" of if this is a man made or natural structure or combination of the two. PERIOD.
 
  • #88
quantumcarl said:
Hawass doesn't think? its concrete? you mean he's not sure? Where is your reference for these claims?
You have completely misread what DougWeller said
DougWeller said:
I know Hawass doesn't think that the Egyptians built the pyramids with poured concrete blocks. (And we have the quarries in Egypt where the stone actually came from)
 
  • #89
Aca said:
My dear professor, you have forgotten to include your "stop-the-project petition" link!:smile:
You have been warned about your posts, personal attacks and foul language are not allowed on this forum.
 
  • #90
Evo said:
You have been warned about your posts, personal attacks and foul language are not allowed on this forum.

I don't think there is anything wrong with my post! It does not contain a foul language and it is not offensive in any way!

I am just telling the guy that he did not include the petition link...what's wrong with that?
 
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