What Alternative kind of Government do you Support?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around alternative forms of government that participants believe should be considered, explicitly excluding democracy, republics, fascism, and communism. Various models and ideas are proposed, reflecting a range of political philosophies and economic systems.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose anarcho-syndicalism as a viable alternative government model.
  • Others advocate for a minimal government focused on foreign relations, contract enforcement, currency printing, and national defense, suggesting a town-hall approach to governance.
  • One participant argues that capitalism, under ideal conditions, is the fairest system of exchange, while another counters that historical examples show exploitation under capitalism without strong government oversight.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for corporate feudalism if local governance is not balanced with global corporate decisions.
  • Technocracy is suggested as a model where individuals with high competence are randomly chosen for political responsibilities, with some advocating for a blend of technocracy and capitalist or socialist philosophies.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of a strong central government to regulate corporations and ensure fair practices.
  • Participants express differing views on the implications of various government structures, including the potential for exploitation and the need for transparency in business practices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the ideal form of government, with no consensus reached. The discussion remains unresolved, with various models and philosophies being debated.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include differing definitions of fairness and ideal conditions for economic systems, as well as the unresolved nature of the proposed government structures and their implications.

  • #121
loseyourname said:
What happens if you end up with 150 candidates?
I think we should devote an entire thread to this. But honestly, what's better? Only hearing about 2 candidates from each party, or not being able to make up your mind between 150 of them? I'm sure we could figure out a way to eliminate a few of the contestants.
 
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  • #122
Smurf said:
I'm sure we could figure out a way to eliminate a few of the contestants.
Jousting? Chariot races? Segway races?
 
  • #123
All very good ideas :-p
 
  • #124
loseyourname said:
If we did abolish all political parties, though, where would the candidates come from?

Everyone would be an independent candidate. Maybe the current laws for independent candidates would work, I don't know, but I think it does deserve another thread.
Jousting would be good. Or human chess games. Serve huge chunks of meat and it would be just like a Renaissance fair.
 
  • #125
russ_watters said:
I don't think you understand what he meant: All (I think) voting machines have a "straight party" button or lever you can use to automatically select all the candidates from one party. I didn't think anyone used those anymore until my roommate told me he did. I can't tell you how much that annoys me - its the ultimate in uninformed, knee-jerk voting.

I would actually be in favor of removing party affiliations from the ballots: just list the names.

There's nothing wrong with political parties. It's the simple principle of strength through unity.

But Russ's idea of removing party affiliations from the ballots is a great one. You can't bar citizens from voting just because they pay no opinion to politics. But you can at least try to make the uninformed votes balance out so they don't influence the election.

This is especially important for local elections. Most candidates adapt to the area they hope to represent. A Western Democrat (from New Mexico, Arizona, Nebraska, for example) has little resemblance to a New York Democrat (except in Congress or as President where they have to maintain an alliance to get any of their projects passed). I've sometimes found local Democratic candidates to be a better choice than the Republican candidate - especially having lived the last twenty-some years in Repubican strongholds where ultra-conservatives can sometimes make a successful bid for office.
 
  • #126
BobG said:
Especially having lived the last twenty-some years in Repubican strongholds where ultra-conservatives can sometimes make a successful bid for office.
Yeah, wolfowitz is a b**** eh?
 

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