What are some methods for separating mixtures in chemistry?

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The discussion revolves around methods for separating mixtures in chemistry, specifically focusing on the separation of sand and sugar in water, as well as iron filings and copper sulfate. Participants also touch upon the differences between ideal and real gases in relation to kinetic theory, although this is not the main focus of the thread.

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  • One participant outlines the six assumptions of the kinetic theory of gases, including the behavior of gas particles and their interactions.
  • Another participant suggests using distilled water for purification when separating mixtures, which may improve the quality of the separated products.
  • A method for separating sand and sugar in water is proposed, involving filtration or decantation followed by evaporation of water to obtain sugar.
  • A method for separating iron filings and copper sulfate is discussed, where water is added to dissolve copper sulfate, followed by decantation to remove iron filings and heating to evaporate water.
  • Participants discuss the concept of perfectly elastic collisions in ideal gases, with one asking for clarification on energy transfer during collisions.
  • Another participant confirms that kinetic energy is conserved during perfectly elastic collisions, implying no heat loss to the container in an ideal gas scenario.

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There is no explicit consensus on the best methods for separation, as participants offer different approaches and suggestions. The discussion on ideal gases remains largely exploratory, with participants clarifying concepts without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants mention the use of distilled water and magnetic separation as alternatives, but do not fully explore the implications or limitations of these methods. The discussion on kinetic theory assumes ideal conditions without addressing potential deviations in real gases.

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Students preparing for chemistry exams, particularly those focusing on separation techniques and the properties of gases.

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Hey. For my chemistry exam coming up soon, i was told to study these long answer questions. Could someone please help me out with them.


Discuss the differences between an ideal gas and a real gas in terms of the assumptions of the kinetic theory.


Well to start with, id state the six assumptions:
  1. Gases consist of tiny particles called molecules, with the exception of noble gases, which consist of single atoms
  2. The average distance between particles in a gas is very large, in comparison to the size of the particles
  3. The molecules of a gas move in rapid random straight line motions. These movements result in collisions with other particles and container walls
  4. The forces of attraction/repulsion between the particles are negligible
  5. Collisions are perfectly elastic, meaning no net energy loss occurs during collisions
  6. The average kinetic energy of the molecules of a gas increase with temperature

What should i do from there? Heres a few ideas I've thought of, in note form:
  • Gas particles have a volume, although quite small, so there are forces of attraction/repulsion

And well yea...thats all i can think of at the moment :rolleyes:

Describe in detail the best methods for the separation of the following mixtures. Include a discussion on why the method works.
a) Sand and sugar in water
b) Iron filings and copper sulfate


For the sand and water mixture, to start with, id look at the sand. Since it is insolube in water, id either decant or filter it. If it is a heavy sand, id decant, otherwise, id filter.

Once that's complete, and i have separated the sugar water from the sand, id evaporate the water from the sugar solution. Since the sugar and water have very different boiling points, (the water being lower), i could fully evaporate the water and be left with sugar.

For the copper sulfate and iron filings, what i would have said is to add water to the mixture, to dissolve the copper sulfate. Id then decant the mixture to remove any iron filings. Then heat the copper sulfate solution to rid of any water.





Thats all for now. Please tell me any other information i could include.

Thanks,
Dan.
 
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For your ideal gasses a good thread is located https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=121779".

As for seperating the mixtures your answers are fine. However, it may be better to state that you will use distilled water, this negates the requirement for purification of the separated products. An easier method for seperating the iron fillings would be to use a magnet :wink:

~H
 
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ok thanks :)

One more thing. Could you explain what it means for the collisions to be perfectly elastic? Does it mean that as a particle collides with another, there is no energy transferred?
 
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It means kinetic energy is conserved.

~H
 
So there is never going to be heat lost to the container through collisions in an ideal gas?
 
That's correct.
 
danago said:
So there is never going to be heat lost to the container through collisions in an ideal gas?

You are correct. Damn Gokul types fast!

~H
 
ok thanks :)
 

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