What Are the Characteristic Lengths for the Biot Number in Different Shapes?

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The discussion revolves around the characteristic lengths used in the Biot number equation, specifically for different shapes such as slabs, spheres, and cylinders. Participants explore definitions and implications related to the Biot number in the context of heat transfer.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the equation for the Biot number, Bi = hLc/k, and seek clarification on the characteristic lengths for various shapes.
  • One participant references an article stating that the characteristic length Lc is typically defined as the volume of the body divided by its surface area, Lc = Vbody/Asurface.
  • Another participant suggests that the definition may only apply for Biot numbers less than 0.1, indicating a potential limitation of the definition.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of Biot numbers less than and greater than 0.1 in terms of heat transfer, but do not agree on whether the definition of Lc changes with the Biot number.
  • One participant mentions a contradictory statement from their professor, who defined the characteristic length as one half the diameter.
  • Another participant emphasizes that "characteristic lengths" in fluid dynamics are not strictly defined and highlight the importance of physical interpretation regarding heat flow resistance.
  • References to definitions of the Biot number from McAdams and Bird et al. are suggested for further clarification.
  • One participant notes that the radius is used as the characteristic length in the charts provided to them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and application of characteristic lengths for the Biot number, with no consensus reached on a single definition or approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential limitations of definitions based on specific Biot number ranges and the variability in interpretations of characteristic lengths across different contexts.

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Hello

I confused about the equation for the biot number

Bi = hLc/k

For a slab, sphere, and cylinder, what are the characteristic lengths?
 
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Maylis said:
Hello

I confused about the equation for the biot number

Bi = hLc/k

For a slab, sphere, and cylinder, what are the characteristic lengths?

According to this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biot_number

the characteristic length Lc is usually the volume of the body divided by its surface area, or

Lc = Vbody/Asurface
 
I think that is for biot numbers less than 0.1
 
Maylis said:
I think that is for biot numbers less than 0.1

If you read the quoted article, it discusses what the implications are for Biot Nos. < 0.1 and Biot Nos. > 0.1 of an object in terms of heat transfer. It does not, however, indicate that Lc is modified depending on the value of the Biot No., as you could never tell if you are calculating the correct Biot No. with such a definition.

If the Wiki definition is not satisfactory, try this one:

http://www.tufts.edu/as/tampl/en43/lecture_notes/ch4.html

or this one:

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/chemical...ng-spring-2007/lecture-notes/biot_numbers.pdf
 
Yes, the tufts article is where I am getting the 0.1 figure from. I'm just confused because our professor told us something contradictory, basically the the characteristic length is one half the diameter
 
"Characteristic lengths" in fluid dynamics are not an exact science. In the Tufts article, the behavior of the system doesn't suddenly change to something completely different when the non-dimensional parameter changes from 0.0999 to 0.1001. The important thing is the physical interpretation i.e. the "resistance" to heat flow across the surface, compared with the "resistance" inside the body, and what that means for the way the temperature varies with time. At one extreme, the surface temperature stays almost constant. At the other extreme, the internal temperatures stay almost uniform.
 
See how McAdams defines the Biot number for various shapes. Also, check out how Bird et al do it.

Chet
 
It turns out that we use the radius because the charts given to us use that as the characteristic length
 

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