What Are the Left Cosets of H in S_3?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the left cosets of the subgroup H in the symmetric group S_3, specifically focusing on the calculations involving permutations and their compositions. Participants are exploring the relationships between different permutations and how to express them in terms of cosets.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the equivalence of the permutations (12)(13) and (132), seeking clarification on the computation process.
  • Another participant explains the computation of permutations from right to left, detailing how the elements are mapped through the permutations to arrive at (132).
  • A participant attempts to apply the same method to the permutation (23)(13) but arrives at a different result than expected, questioning their approach and the correctness of their calculations.
  • There is a discussion about the preference for writing permutations in a certain order, with a note that starting with the smallest number is conventional.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculations, as one participant is unsure about their result compared to the book's answer, indicating that multiple interpretations or methods may exist.

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Participants highlight the importance of understanding the order of operations in permutations and the conventions used in writing them, which may affect the clarity of their results.

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Readers interested in group theory, particularly those studying symmetric groups and permutation operations, may find this discussion relevant.

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I am having trouble understanding this example:

Let G=S_3 and H={(1),(13)}. Then the left cosets of H in G are

(1)H=H
(12)H={(12), (12)(13)}={(12),(132)}=(132)HI cannot figure out how to produce this relation:

(12)H={(12), (12)(13)}={(12),(132)}=(132)H

I understand (12)H={(12), (12)(13)} but not how (12)(13) = (132) or the equivalence after that...
 
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Note that since (12) and (13) are in S3, they are actually the elements (12)(3) and (13)(2), where 3 and 2 are fixed respectively.

(12)(13), we do computation from right to left, so 1 goes to 3 from (13), then 3 goes to itself in (12). So we have (13...). Now 3 goes to 1 in (13) and 1 goes to 2 in (12), so in (13...) we have 3 goes to 2. Hence (132). This is a quick dirty answer to your question, but I think you should reread or review computations done using permutations.
 
daveyinaz said:
Note that since (12) and (13) are in S3, they are actually the elements (12)(3) and (13)(2), where 3 and 2 are fixed respectively.

(12)(13), we do computation from right to left, so 1 goes to 3 from (13), then 3 goes to itself in (12). So we have (13...). Now 3 goes to 1 in (13) and 1 goes to 2 in (12), so in (13...) we have 3 goes to 2. Hence (132). This is a quick dirty answer to your question, but I think you should reread or review computations done using permutations.

Okay so I get your method here and I am trying to apply it to this one (23)(13) but I am not getting the answer the book has which is (123)

I set it up like this

(23) (13)
123 123
132 321

then

so 1 goes to 3 then 3 goes to 2, 2 goes to 2 then 2 goes to 3, 3 goes to 1 and 1 goes to 1 so I get 231... I know you said your way was quick and dirty, so maybe I am missing something completely?

EDIT:

Okay so I'm pretty sure that 231 and 123 are the same thing but is there a preference for writing it out?
 
The convention is to start with the smallest number.
 

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