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The discussion revolves around the factors affecting sky visibility in a small town in Thailand, particularly focusing on the challenges of sky gazing with the naked eye. Participants explore various environmental and astronomical influences that may limit visibility, including air pollution, humidity, and lunar phases.

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  • One participant notes that air pollution in Thailand can be significantly higher than health standards in developed nations, suggesting that this could impact visibility despite the distance from major cities.
  • Another participant highlights humidity as a major factor that can reduce visibility, especially when combined with pollution particles.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the current phase of the moon, which is near full, may be obstructing the visibility of stars, as it can outshine all but the brightest celestial objects.
  • A participant shares personal experiences of clearer skies in a different location, attributing the visibility there to the absence of nearby villages and pollution.
  • One participant provides clarification about the visibility of the Milky Way, noting that whether the center of the galaxy is visible depends on specific location and timing.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the factors affecting visibility, with no consensus reached on which factors are most significant or how they interact.

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Participants mention specific local conditions, such as the presence of open air cooking and burning practices, which may contribute to pollution. The discussion also reflects on personal experiences in different locations, indicating variability in visibility conditions.

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What are the limiting factors in this case...

Hello,

I have quite recently shifted to this area in Thailand. This is a very small town, there are no big cities for more than 150km distance, & no special industrial towns nearby.

Before coming here I had thought this will be a very good place for sky gazing even with naked eye, but surprisingly I have found it all opposite. The sky is extremely dark and I can't see anything except moon with an unaided eye.

I Haven't been able to understand why... I think I don't know all the limiting factors which simply block easy watch of heavens.

I'll be thankful for your replies.
 
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The toxic air pollution in some parts of Thailand contain pollutants that are 60 to 3000 times higher than health standards in developed nations. The sources are often open fires, including forest and open air cooking, so distance from major cities may not ameliorate visibility problems a lot. 150 km is not a lot when effluent is high in essentially in every direction around you. I don't know what part you are in. Prevailing winds are also an issue at that distance. Is a haze or darkish coloration visible on the horizon during the day?
http://www.epa.gov/visibility/

The other major factor is humidity. Even by itself high humidity can greatly reduce visibility. In combination with pollution particles it is far worse. Here in the states exceptionally clear nights are far more rare than when I was a kid, though better than a few years ago. It is really awesome to see a crystal clear view of the stars.
 
Well, depending on how recently you moved to the area, the moon itself may be the problem. It's near full now and for about the past week (and for the next week), it would blot out all but the brightest stars.
 
my_wan said:
The toxic air pollution in some parts of Thailand contain pollutants that are 60 to 3000 times higher than health standards in developed nations. The sources are often open fires, including forest and open air cooking, so distance from major cities may not ameliorate visibility problems a lot. 150 km is not a lot when effluent is high in essentially in every direction around you. I don't know what part you are in. Prevailing winds are also an issue at that distance. Is a haze or darkish coloration visible on the horizon during the day?.

Thanks for the information, you are right, I can see the haze during the daytime & there are simply dozens of open air cooking spots in every single area. Also no doubt about fires which are created by locals to either burn the garbage or useless forest woods...

I am in Chanthaburi, 250km east of Bangkok, a small town famous for its gem trade. Toxic materials are also used such as beryllium for heating gems in bulk quantities.

The best place where I was able to see crystal clear sky was in the south western province of Balochistan in Pakistan when traveling to Iran by road. There was no sign of any village for 100s of kilometers & no lights, haze or any sort of pollution, all & all a lonely huge dessert... The night view was soooooooooo amazing that words are not enough to describe it all it was just like a dream, I could see stars, a massive nebula which was streched all the way, I think that was the center of galaxy??.
In short The Best scene I have ever seen

I am really thankful for your reply, you have been a great help.
 
mubashirmansoor said:
... a massive nebula which was streched all the way, I think that was the center of galaxy??.
That would be the milky-way, our own galaxy - or at least one spiral arm of it. Whether the center of the galaxy was in view (it's a single point) depends on your location or time of year.
 

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