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The discussion revolves around a past paper electricity problem from the AS physics syllabus, specifically focusing on applying Kirchhoff's laws to analyze a circuit with missing data.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of Kirchhoff's laws and the need to identify missing data. Questions arise regarding the potential difference between points P and R, and the relevance of various resistors in the circuit analysis.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the circuit setup. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of voltage drops and the treatment of specific resistors in the analysis.

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There are indications of missing information in the original question, which may affect the analysis. Participants are also considering the implications of simplifying assumptions, such as setting point P to zero volts.

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Homework Statement


Hey guys, here is a question that I have trouble with, it is a past paper question in the AS physics syllabus
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I have attempted using kirchhoff's laws, but the question seemed to be missing some datas, please help:)
 
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Peter R said:
I have attempted using kirchhoff's laws, but the question seemed to be missing some datas, please help:)
Yes, and the question wants you to find that missing data. To start, what is the potential difference between P and R?
 
NFuller said:
Yes, and the question wants you to find that missing data. To start, what is the potential difference between P and R?
Ehhh I'm thinking 3V+6V+5V+SR
Thanks for the reply:)
 
Peter R said:
Ehhh I'm thinking 3V+6V+5V+SR
Thanks for the reply:)
The two top resistors connect P and R, so the potential difference between P and R must be the sum of the difference across those two resistors.
 
NFuller said:
The two top resistors connect P and R, so the potential difference between P and R must be the sum of the difference across those two resistors.
Right so that leads to 4v on the bottom unknown resistor. Also shouldn't the middle resistor be taking into consideration when calculating the voltage across PR, or you can just ignore it in a question of this kind?
 
Peter R said:
Right so that leads to 4v on the bottom unknown resistor.
Yes
Peter R said:
lso shouldn't the middle resistor be taking into consideration when calculating the voltage across PR, or you can just ignore it in a question of this kind?
The middle resistor is not dropping any voltage between P and R, so it is ignored at this point.
 
NFuller said:
Yes

The middle resistor is not dropping any voltage between P and R, so it is ignored at this point.
So what are you supposed to do after finding the 4V drop at the bottom?
 
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Peter R said:
So what are you supposed to do after finding the 4V drop at the bottom?
You need the difference between Q and S. If you consider P to be at zero volts for simplicity, then it should be obvious what the voltage at Q is and what the voltage at S is.
 
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Wow thank you so much, it seemed to obvious when I made P 0V.
 

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