What are weight spaces and how do they relate to the representation of SU(2)?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of weight spaces in the context of the representation theory of the Lie group SU(2) and its relation to the Lie algebra su(2). Participants explore the construction of representations, the necessity of complexification, and the properties of eigenvalues and eigenvectors within these representations.

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  • Some participants discuss the construction of a representation T of SU(2) acting on a linear space V, questioning the assumptions about the existence of certain vectors with specific properties.
  • It is noted that complexification of the real Lie algebra su(2) is necessary for the definitions of operators T_+ and T_- to make sense, with references to the isomorphism between sl(2, C) and C ⊗ su(2).
  • One participant raises a question about whether complexification is still needed when discussing SO(3) instead of SU(2).
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the commutation relation [T_z, T_+] = T_+ and how it leads to the conclusion that T_+v_j must be the zero vector, with some uncertainty expressed regarding the treatment of eigenvalues as complex numbers.
  • Another participant mentions that T_z is self-adjoint, implying that its spectrum is real, which contributes to the understanding of eigenvalues.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the definition of weight spaces and their relation to irreducible representations of the maximal torus T, particularly in the context of the adjoint representation.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of complexification and the implications of eigenvalue properties. There is no consensus on the treatment of complex eigenvalues or the dimensionality of weight spaces in specific representations.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding the definitions and properties of weight spaces, particularly regarding the dimensionality of nontrivial weight spaces in the adjoint representation and the implications of complex eigenvalues.

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I'm taking a course on Lie groups and am reading alongisde Cahn's semi-simple lie algebras and their representations.

On page 4 he starts to construct a representation T of the Lie group corresponding to SU(2) acting on a linear space V, by defining the action of [itex]T_z[/itex] and [itex]T_+[/itex] on a vector [itex]v_j[/itex] by

[itex]T_z v_j = jv_j, \quad T_+ v_j = 0[/itex]

and then constructs a [itex](2j+1)[/itex]-dimensional representation.

I don't understand what allows him to assume that there exist vectors in V with this property.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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jdstokes said:
I'm taking a course on Lie groups and am reading alongisde Cahn's semi-simple lie algebras and their representations.

On page 4 he starts to construct a representation T of the Lie group corresponding to SU(2) acting on a linear space V, by defining the action of [itex]T_z[/itex] and [itex]T_+[/itex] on a vector [itex]v_j[/itex] by

[itex]T_z v_j = jv_j, \quad T_+ v_j = 0[/itex]

and then constructs a [itex](2j+1)[/itex]-dimensional representation.

I don't understand what allows him to assume that there exist vectors in V with this property.

Any help would be appreciated.

First, Cahn has complexified the real Lie algebra [itex]su\left(2\right)[/itex], i.e., he looks for representations of [itex]\mathbb{C} \otimes su\left(2\right)[/itex]. If this is not done, the definitions of [itex]t_+[/itex] and [itex]t_-[/itex] make no sense. Physicists usually do this without explicitly saying so. Since [itex]sl\left(2 , \mathbb{C}\right)[/itex] and [itex]\mathbb{C} \otimes su\left(2\right)[/itex] are isomorphic as complex Lie algebras, physics books' treatments of what they call [itex]su\left(2\right)[/itex] and [itex]so\left(3\right)[/itex] look like math books' treatments of [itex]sl\left(2,\mathbb{C}\right)[/itex].

Consider a representation of [itex]su\left(2\right)[/itex] on an n-dimensional complex vector space [itex]V[/itex]. [itex]T_z[/itex] is a non-zero linear operator on [itex]V[/itex], so its eigenvalue equation is a complex [itex]n^{th}[/itex] degree polynomial that has at most [itex]n[/itex] distinct roots. Consequently, [itex]T_z[/itex] has at most [itex]n[/itex] distinct eigenvalues and at least one eigenvalue, with corresponding non-zero eigenvectors. Therefore, the set of eigenvalues has a member with maximal value [itex]j[/itex], say. Call the corresponding eigenvector [itex]v_j[/itex], so [itex]T_zv_j = jv_j[/itex].

From this its follows that [itex]T_+v_j = 0[/itex]. Why?
 
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George Jones said:
First, Cahn has complexified the real Lie algebra [itex]su\left(2\right)[/itex], i.e., he looks for representations of [itex]\mathbb{C} \otimes su\left(2\right)[/itex]. If this is not done, the definitions of [itex]t_+[/itex] and [itex]t_-[/itex] make no sense. Physicists usually do this without explicitly saying so. Since [itex]sl\left(2 , \mathbb{C}\right)[/itex] and [itex]\mathbb{C} \otimes su\left(2\right)[/itex] are isomorphic as complex Lie algebras, physics books' treatments of what they call [itex]su\left(2\right)[/itex] and [itex]so\left(3\right)[/itex] look like math books' treatments of [itex]sl\left(2,\mathbb{C}\right)[/itex].

Hi George,

Thanks for replying. When I wrote SU(2) I actually meant SO(3). In this case do we still need to complexify the Lie algebra so(3)?

In any case I don't understand why this complexification is necessary. Could you please explain that to me?

George Jones said:
Consider a representation of [itex]su\left(2\right)[/itex] on an n-dimensional complex vector space [itex]V[/itex]. [itex]T_z[/itex] is a non-zero linear operator on [itex]V[/itex], so its eigenvalue equation is a complex [itex]n^{th}[/itex] degree polynomial that has at most [itex]n[/itex] distinct roots. Consequently, [itex]T_z[/itex] has at most [itex]n[/itex] distinct eigenvalues and at least one eigenvalue, with corresponding non-zero eigenvectors. Therefore, the set of eigenvalues has a member with maximal value [itex]j[/itex], say. Call the corresponding eigenvector [itex]v_j[/itex], so [itex]T_zv_j = jv_j[/itex].

From this its follows that [itex]T_+v_j = 0[/itex]. Why?

Ok, but [itex]j[/itex] can be any complex number here right? Not just integers or half-integers. I don't have time to check why [itex]T_+v_j = 0[/itex] right now but I'm guessing it follows from the commutation relations.
 
The commutation relation [itex][T_z,T_+] = T_+[/itex] implies that [itex]T_+v_j[/itex] is an eigenvector of [itex]T_z[/itex] with eigenvalues j + 1. But since j is the largest eigenvalues of T_z, this implies [itex]T_+v_j[/itex] is the zero vector.

I'm not too happy with this line of reasoning, however, since the eigenvalues can be complex numbers, and how exactly do we define larger than in this case?
 
[itex]T_{z}[/itex] is self adjoint, its spectrum is real.
 
I haven't forgotten about this thread, but I've been too busy to answer in the detail that I wanted. I will, however, add a little to what bigubau posted.

A unitary representation of the Lie group SO(3) on a complex vector space V gives rise to a skew-Hermitian representation of the real Lie algebra so(3) on V. Consequently, i times a representative of so(3) is a self-adjoint operator on V.

More later.
 
That makes sense since the matrix logarithm of a unitary matrix is skew-Hermitian so if [itex]iT_z[/itex] is skew-Hermtian then [itex]T_z[/itex] is certainly Hermitian, hence real eigenvalues.

Thanks for your help George and bigubau.


I had another question which I was hoping you could answer.

I'm reading about roots and weights using the lecture notes

http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/notes7.pdf

What exactly is meant by the statement: ``the weight space corresponding to the weight [itex]\alpha[/itex] will be the sum of the one-dimensional subspaces of the representation space that are irreducible representations of T, with weight [itex]\alpha[/itex]''?

The weights are defined to be the irreps of the maximal torus T. These can be thought of as linear functionals in [itex]\mathfrak{t}^\ast[/itex] giving integers on the integer lattice.
The weight space is defined as the subspace of the representation space which transform under the action of T according to the given weight. I'm also not clear as to why the nontrivial weight spaces are necessarily 2-dimensional in the case of the adjoint representation.
 
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