What Caused the Massive Explosion in Tianjin, China?

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The discussion revolves around the massive explosion that occurred in Tianjin, China, focusing on potential causes, the nature of the explosion, and the implications of chemical storage practices. Participants explore various theories, including the involvement of specific chemicals and the sequence of events leading up to the explosion.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express shock at the scale of the explosion, comparing it to a tactical nuclear explosion and noting the visible shock wave captured by satellites.
  • There are suggestions that the explosion resembled a Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion (BLEVE), with some participants recalling their initial thoughts upon seeing the footage.
  • Discussion includes the potential for an accidental Fuel-Air Explosive (FAE) scenario, with references to chemical reactions involving calcium carbide and water producing acetylene gas.
  • Participants mention the storage of calcium carbide and ammonium nitrate in the same facility, raising concerns about chemical safety and the conditions that led to the explosion.
  • Some contributions highlight the inappropriate storage of hazardous materials near residential areas and question the regulatory compliance of local authorities.
  • There are references to historical incidents, such as the Texas City disaster, drawing parallels between the two events in terms of explosion effects and chemical storage issues.
  • Concerns are raised about the response of firefighters and whether their actions may have inadvertently triggered the explosions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact cause of the explosion, with multiple competing theories and viewpoints presented regarding the chemicals involved and the circumstances surrounding the event.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in available information, including potential cover-ups regarding the details of the incident and the complexity of chemical interactions involved in the explosion.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in chemical safety, industrial disaster response, and historical comparisons of industrial explosions may find this discussion relevant.

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Authorities pulled more bodies from a massive blast site in the Chinese port of Tianjin, pushing the death toll to 112 on Sunday as teams scrambled to clear dangerous chemical contamination.
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Two state-run Chinese news outlets, The Paper and the Southern Metropolis, reported that the warehouse was storing 700 tons of sodium cyanide - 70 times more than it should have been holding at one time, and that authorities were rushing to clean it up.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11498139
 
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Astronuc said:
I would imagine that it would be impossible to hide this disaster from the Chinese public.

I don't know which is worse - no regulation or regulation that is ignored. The latter would certainly give the uniformed a false sense of security.
There is no, but NO contest; regulation that is ignored is a disaster waiting to happen, and the disaster includes rendering other regulations impotent through contempt.
Almost as bad are regulations that are unpractical or not understood.
 
  • #34
I didn't know about the NH4NO3; I had been badly surprised by alleged estimates of explosions of the order of 21 tonnes of TNT equivalent. That made me sceptical of blebe, gas, & similar explanations, because to assemble enough fuel for that scale of explosion and then to detonate it efficiently is NOT EASY, no matter what the amateurs might think. But Ammonium nitrate might easily be present in hundreds of tonnes quantities, and only a modest efficiency of detonation from the first blast might well have caused the rest.

Now we are hearing about 100 tonne quantities of NaCN as well (though the newscasts ore talking a lot of rot about it). If there really is that much of it there, it just HAS to cause problems; cleaning up that much cannot be a clean matter, and the stuff really is dangerous. 100 tonnes is just about enough to kill every human on Earth, properly administered.

If the figures on the news are to be believed, the death toll so far is minute!
 
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nsaspook said:
Don't know if this is a valid or WAG calculation but the effects seem to be a lot more than the 'official' 21 T TNT equivalent.
Nice work by Thunderfoot in the video: 300 tons TNT from fireball size, 150 m diameter estimate. He's a working British chemist.
 
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Good grief! If that is accurate it puts it into the same ballpark as the Messines explosion of about 455 tons of ammonal, and that was an engineered explosion, not an industrial accident!
 
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Explosion at another chemical plant - update on Tianjin explosion.
http://news.yahoo.com/blast-chinese-chemical-plant-kills-1-050807039.html
On Sunday, the Tianjin city government announced on its microblog account that the death toll in that disaster had been raised to 123. It said 50 people were still missing.

The cause of the Tianjin disaster is under investigation. State media say that the warehouse, which stored sodium cyanide and other dangerous chemicals, was too close to homes and that its operators may have obtained falsified safety approvals.
 
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China arrests 12 over Tianjin blasts as toll rises
http://news.yahoo.com/china-arrests-12-over-tianjin-blasts-xinhua-032254897.html

Beijing (AFP) - Chinese police have arrested 12 people over giant explosions that killed at least 145 people and devastated a swathe of a Chinese port city, state media said Thursday as prosecutors probe 11 officials for neglecting their duties.
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The official Xinhua news agency said the dozen formally held include the chairman and senior managers of the firm whose chemical storage facility exploded in the northern city of Tianjin two weeks ago, in the country's highest-profile industrial accident in years.
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The 12 arrested include owners of Rui Hai International Logistics who were shown on state television last week, when they were already being held by police, "confessing" to using government connections to obtain safety permits.
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