What Causes People to React to Certain Sounds?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the psychological and physiological reactions people have to certain sounds, particularly the sound of fingernails scratching a chalkboard. Participants explore various aspects of these reactions, including learned responses, visceral reactions, and the potential evolutionary or cultural origins of these experiences.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that reading about unpleasant sounds can trigger mental replays of the experience, similar to how imagining biting into a lemon can cause salivation.
  • There is mention of learned responses, with some participants recalling how they initially did not experience discomfort from the chalkboard sound until it was suggested to them.
  • Others propose that certain sounds may evoke strong reactions due to survival instincts or past traumatic experiences, questioning whether these reactions are innate or conditioned.
  • One participant shares that their cat reacts fearfully to the sound of garbage bags, raising questions about animal responses to specific sounds.
  • Some participants discuss anticipatory responses, comparing human reactions to sounds with Pavlovian conditioning observed in dogs.
  • There are claims that the aversive reaction to chalkboard sounds may be linked to collective memories from early education experiences.
  • Participants express differing views on whether certain reactions are universal or highly individual, with some arguing that specific sounds elicit strong visceral responses while others see them as conditioned responses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of these reactions, with multiple competing views on whether they are learned, innate, or conditioned responses. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the origins and mechanisms behind these sound-related reactions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference personal experiences and anecdotal evidence, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of sound perception and its psychological effects, but these assumptions are not fully explored or agreed upon.

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If the sound of fingernails scratching a chalkboard makes one shudder, how can just reading this post cause many people to do likewise?
 
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Loren Booda said:
If the sound of fingernails scratching a chalkboard makes one shudder, how can just reading this post cause many people to do likewise?

Triggered mental replay of the experience. Think about biting deeply into a freshly-cut lemon. Doesn't your mouth water a little bit?
 
Math Is Hard said:
Triggered mental replay of the experience. Think about biting deeply into a freshly-cut lemon. Doesn't your mouth water a little bit?
When my mouth is dry, I use the trick of imagining biting into a lemon, works every time.
 
Evo said:
When my mouth is dry, I use the trick of imagining biting into a lemon, works every time.


I get the same effect from imagining I am biting into a “dilly Bean” (pickled green beans).
Sooooooo Good.
Now I am drooling all over the desk.
 
If only such sensations worked with my diet.
 
Loren Booda said:
If only such sensations worked with my diet.
Too bad that thinking about being full doesn't work.
 
Evo said:
When my mouth is dry, I use the trick of imagining biting into a lemon, works every time.

I wonder if this is not some kind of 'learned response' - not from the usual experiencial method - as with the lemon bite - but 'learned' as in passed down from authority.

I recall my parents using that expression, of fingernails on a blackboard, and not understanding it - until I consciously searched for the shivers by actually running my fingernail down a blackboard. It was a long time ago - but I am sure there were no shivers until I was told there should be that physical reaction.
 
Would a "chalkboard" survival instinct occur if one were desperately clawing for dear life while scaling a cliff?
 
Loren Booda said:
Would a "chalkboard" survival instinct occur if one were desperately clawing for dear life while scaling a cliff?

That is another facet of the question ... the screech of metal being tore is something that can bring shivers. If I, at home, hear a car accident out side my rooms, the screeching of the metal as it is ripped apart certainly will give me goose bumps. I doubt if the person involved in the incident, even closer than I, will experience the reaction.

or maybe they will, but are so preoccupied that it is not noticed. :confused:

(Interesting website - even if the connection to involuntary reactions to sounds escapes me. :biggrin:)
 
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My cat is deathly afraid of garbage bags being "inflated." Is there any truth to the saying "to bag a cat." Kitty knows so.
 
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croghan27 said:
I wonder if this is not some kind of 'learned response' - not from the usual experiencial method - as with the lemon bite - but 'learned' as in passed down from authority.

I recall my parents using that expression, of fingernails on a blackboard, and not understanding it - until I consciously searched for the shivers by actually running my fingernail down a blackboard. It was a long time ago - but I am sure there were no shivers until I was told there should be that physical reaction.

i get a similar experience from listening to Bob Dylan sing, even though all the authorities have informed me that he is some kind of genius (a reverse idiot savant syndrome?).

anticipatory salivation can be evoked in dogs by ringing a bell, if you've already taught them to associate that experience with feeding. so it's probably more than simply a meme.
 
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Proton Soup said:
anticipatory salivation can be evoked in dogs by ringing a bell, if you've already taught them to associate that experience with feeding. so it's probably more than simply a meme.

That recalls Pavlov's dog.
 
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Proton Soup said:
i get a similar experience from listening to Bob Dylan sing, even though all the authorities have informed me that he is some kind of genius (a reverse idiot savant syndrome?).

anticipatory salivation can be evoked in dogs by ringing a bell, if you've already taught them to associate that experience with feeding. so it's probably more than simply a meme.

My daugter gets the same kind of reaction from hearing paper rustling. This is not conditioned, learned or anything but a very powerful visceral rxn to a particular stimulus.

Now my reaction to George W's voice was learned. It made my skin crawl. Why can't we tickle ourselves? Why are some oblivious to bugs?

As to why chalk on blackboards is so aversive likely dates to the early days of education and some collectively recalled trauma.

And while we now have whiteboards and markers, as soon as I start to write equations on the board, the rxn is the same...
 
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Loren Booda said:
That recalls Pavlov's dog.

That was not Bob Dylan - that was Micky Jagger/Keith Richards.

"Yeah, when you call my name,
I salivate lile Pavlov's dog ..."

(I tried to put in the name - but it becomes ****s .) BAY ITCH might work. :cool:
 
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denverdoc said:
My daugter gets the same kind of reaction from hearing paper rustling. This is not conditioned, learned or anything but a very powerful visceral rxn to a particular stimulus.

Given the facts that chalkboard fingernail screeching affects nearly everone and your daughter's paper rustling affects almost no one except your daughter, I would argue that it is most certainly a conditional response.

Now my reaction to George W's voice was learned. It made my skin crawl.

Wha...

Why can't we tickle ourselves? Why are some oblivious to bugs?

Bugs? What the...

As to why chalk on blackboards is so aversive likely dates to the early days of education and some collectively recalled trauma.

It likely dates to gentic memory, given the vastly widespread and often-repeated experiments verifying it's existence.

And while we now have whiteboards and markers, as soon as I start to write equations on the board, the rxn is the same...

I've sat through dozens (actually more than 160) of whiteboard classes and have never once observered or heard of someone experiencing a fingernail/chalkboard reaction to whiteboard markers.
 

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