What determines an organism's brain size and at what point is a brain necessary?

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The discussion centers on the criteria for determining when an organism has a brain, exploring the scale and definitions of brain size in relation to various life forms. It includes considerations of functional definitions of a brain and comparisons of brain size to body size.

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  • Some participants suggest that the fruit fly represents a threshold for brain size, while others argue that smaller organisms, such as certain parasites, may also possess a brain.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for a clear definition of "brain," noting that some organisms, like jellyfish and starfish, have a distributed neural net rather than a central nervous system.
  • Another point raised is the importance of comparing brain size relative to body size, suggesting that the significance of brain size may depend on this ratio rather than absolute size.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition of a brain or the scale at which it becomes necessary, with multiple competing views presented.

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Definitions of "brain" and "small" are not universally agreed upon, leading to varying interpretations of the discussion points.

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At what point, or scale, do organisms/lifeforms/whatever have brains?
 
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Nah. Much smaller. I believe the parasite that lives in your eyelashes has a brain and it's practically invisible.

Edit: reference http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demodex

(If this doesn't have you washing your face then you have nerves of steel.)
 
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First, define what you mean by brain. Some people call the nerve ring in c. elegans the brain, defining "brain" functionally.

With something like a starfish or a jellyfish, nearly everyone agrees that there is no central nervous system; they have a distributed "neural net".

On the other side of the nerve bundles in worms, we have insects with appendages that generally require a clear CNS of some sort to integrate sensory signals and motor skills (ants and flies).

Second, define what you mean by small. The general scientific consensus is that we should compare brain size to body size and the ratio is what's significant (so a small brain is defined relative to the body it's in) whereas you may be thinking in absolute terms.
 

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