What Do Limiting Probabilities Signify in a Bose-Einstein Urn Model?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of limiting probabilities in a Bose-Einstein urn model, specifically focusing on a Markov process involving the distribution of molecules between two urns. Participants explore the implications of these probabilities in the context of long-term behavior and statistical distributions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the process as a time-reversible Markov process and questions the meaning of the limiting probabilities, providing specific formulas for these probabilities.
  • Another participant defines limiting probability in the context of state-transition probabilities converging as the number of steps approaches infinity.
  • A different participant suggests that the long-term distribution of particles in the urns resembles a Binomial distribution, indicating that the initial distribution does not affect the final outcome.
  • One participant notes the standard notation for transition probabilities, emphasizing the relationship between states in the Markov process.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the significance of limiting probabilities, with no consensus on a singular meaning or implication. Multiple competing views remain regarding the long-term behavior of the system.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the initial distribution of particles and the nature of the Markov process may not be fully articulated, leading to potential ambiguities in the interpretation of the limiting probabilities.

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Suppose that [tex]M[/tex] molecules are distributed among two urns; and at each time point one of the molecules it chosen at random, removed from its urn, and placed in the other one. So this is a time-reversible Markov process right?

So [tex]P_{i,i+1} = \frac{M-i}{M}[/tex]. What do the limiting probabilities mean in words?

Like [tex]\pi_0 = \left[ 1 + \sum_{j=1}^{M} \frac{(M-j+1) \cdots (M-1)M}{j(j-1) \cdots 1} \right ]^{-1}[/tex]

[tex]= \left [\sum_{j=0}^{M} \binom{M}{j} \right]^{-1} = \left(\frac{1}{2} \right)^{M}[/tex]


and [tex]\pi_i = \binom{M}{i} \left(\frac{1}{2} \right)^{M}, \ i = 0,1, \ldots, M[/tex].

What do these really signify?

Source: Introduction to Probability Models by Sheldon Ross

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Limiting probability of a state-transition probability is a probability value that the state-transition probability converges to, as the number of steps approaches infinity.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain
 
I am not sure though, but the significance appears as-
The stated scheme in the long run is equivalent to distribute M distinguishable particles
in two urns where each particle has probability 1/2 to go into an urn. Pai(i) is the probability that one specified urn will contain i particles. That is, in the stated scheme, whatever be the initial distribution of particles in the urns, in a long run they will be distributed as in case of a Binomial distribution.
 
Usually a transition probability is expressed as p(i,j) where i and j are the two states. p(i,j) = Prob{X(n+1) = i given X(n) = j}.
 

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