What do the blue and pink color of the rust indicator shown mean?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of color changes in a rust indicator composed of potassium hexacyanoferrate(III) and phenolphthalein when applied to an iron nail. Participants explore the significance of blue and pink colors observed in different regions of the nail, questioning what these colors indicate about the presence of specific ions and the rusting process.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the blue region indicates the presence of Fe2+ ions, while the pink region indicates the presence of hydroxide ions.
  • Others argue that the pink area shows a low concentration of hydrogen ions, suggesting a misunderstanding that was later corrected to hydroxide ions.
  • A participant questions the implications of the presence of hydroxide ions in the pink area, seeking clarity on whether it indicates rusting.
  • Another participant suggests that the blue area signifies that rusting has already occurred, while the pink area indicates that rust formation is imminent due to the presence of hydroxide ions.
  • Some participants assert that both ions are produced simultaneously, indicating different half-reactions occurring in separate locations as long as a conductor is present.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the color changes and their implications for rusting, with no consensus reached on the exact meanings of the blue and pink regions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific roles of the ions involved and the conditions under which rusting occurs, as well as the dependence on the definitions of the terms used in the discussion.

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Hello, everyone.
What do the blue and pink color the rust indicator shown mean?

Let say, the mixture of potassium hexacyanoferrate(III) and phenolphthalein is the rust indicator. And we use to detect the rusting of an iron nail. And the result is: the tip, head region of the nail appear blue color; the straight region appears pink color.
Is that the blue region shows Fe2+ ions formed? And, the pink shows hydrogen ions present?

But, even it shows these ions are present, what does it mean? The blue area is rusting? And the pink area no rusting?

Confused :( please help!
 
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Green18 said:
Is that the blue region shows Fe2+ ions formed?

Yes.

And, the pink shows hydrogen ions present?

No, quite the opposite - it shows where the amount of H+ is small.

But, even it shows these ions are present, what does it mean?

Where do they come from?
 
Thanks for replying.
Sorry, my bad. That is a typo.
I should write 'hydroxide ions' ,
the pink area shows the presence of HYDROXIDE ions .
But, i don't get it, even hydroxide ions is produced, what does it mean? Does it mean the pink area part is rusting?
 
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No, it contains possible rusting product.
 
Borek said:
No, it contains possible rusting product.

Thanks again.
So simply speaking, the blue area means the rusting has already taken place/ the rust is formed . And the pink area means it is going to form rust (coz hydroxide ions are produced before rust is formed.)
Am i right? :)
 
I think both ions are produced at the same time, they just show where different half reactions occur (they don't have to go in the same place, as long as there is conductor present).
 
Borek said:
I think both ions are produced at the same time, they just show where different half reactions occur (they don't have to go in the same place, as long as there is conductor present).
Thank you
 

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