What do the graphical representations of waves actually represent?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the graphical representations of waves, particularly focusing on what these representations signify in terms of physical phenomena. Participants explore the relationship between wave motion, oscillation, and the interpretation of waveforms in various contexts, including transverse waves and other types of waves.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express understanding of wave oscillation but seek clarification on what a sinusoidal representation conveys about wave travel.
  • One participant explains that in a one-dimensional wave scenario, the sine curve represents the height of a point on the rope at a specific time, indicating a relationship between spatial and temporal variables.
  • Another participant argues that waveform graphs show the relationship between independent and dependent variables, translating complex quantities into a spatial context.
  • It is noted that a typical graph captures only a partial description of the wave, as it may not indicate the direction of travel or the complete motion of the medium involved.
  • One participant highlights that a snapshot of a wave can be consistent with multiple traveling directions or stationary oscillations, emphasizing the limitations of graphical representations.
  • Another participant introduces a mathematical perspective, contrasting the equations for oscillation and wave propagation, and discusses how the wave's movement is influenced by the medium's properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of what waveform graphs represent, with no consensus reached on a singular understanding. Multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of graphical representations of waves.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding wave representation, such as the dependence on specific definitions and the incomplete nature of graphical descriptions in predicting wave behavior.

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I know how waves work, by the oscillation of particles along there mean position..fine
I know how a simple oscillatory motion can be described by a sinusoidal wave , and what is its physical significance...okay
but what I don't understand when waves (say a transverse) wave is represented by a sinusoidal wave , what is it representing? how is it 'travelling/
 
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If you are talking about waves on, say, a rope, even in that "one dimensional" situation involves two variables, x and t. The sine curve is the rope "frozen" at a given time t. Its height represents heighrt of that particular point on the rope at that particular time.
 
I am talking about what a waveform graph actually shows
 
It only shows the relationship between independent and dependent variables, like any other plot.

Plots allow us to translate mysterious quantities (like pressure or electromagnetic intensity) into our comfortable domain of understanding: space. All plots are simply a property to space translation, we translate things like pressure as a function of time (P and t) into a comparison of two spatial directions (x and y)
 
A typical graph will capture only a partial description of the wave.

Looking at a cross section of a water wave, for instance could tell you the height of the water surface at each point. But it would not tell you about the corresponding motion of the water.

A snapshot of a water wave that looks like a pure sine wave is consistent with a wave traveling right to left. It is also consistent with a wave traveling left to right. It is consistent with a wave form that oscillates in place. And it is consistent with infinitely many other superpositions of these.

Other waves are analagous. The y coordinate on the graph of a compression wave might indicate pressure. The y coordinate on the graph of a transverse wave might indicate displacement. The y coordinate on the graph of an electromagnetic wave might indicate electric field strength. In each case the graph fails to capture a complete enough description to predict which way the wave is travelling.
 
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harjyot said:
I know how waves work, by the oscillation of particles along there mean position..fine
I know how a simple oscillatory motion can be described by a sinusoidal wave , and what is its physical significance...okay
but what I don't understand when waves (say a transverse) wave is represented by a sinusoidal wave , what is it representing? how is it 'travelling/

That's fair enough but a wave is not just an oscillation in time, a wave involves distance and time.
If you can bear to look at the simplest mathematical way of describing things:
An oscillation can be written
A = A0 sin(ωt)
but the equation of a wave looks like
A = A0 sin(ωt -kx)

If you choose a fixed position (x value) the Amplitude A follows a sinusoidal variation with time (any one section of a vibrating string just goes up and down) and if you choose a fixed time (a snapshot) the variation over distance (x) is also a sinusoid. Lumping the two together, you get a sinewave that moves from left to right. There is a delay (Phase) in the vibrations, the further you go to the right.
It is the fact that one part of the string (or whatever else is carrying the wave) will only start to move after the previous part has already moved (pulled it) and the next part will move after a similar delay so the 'disturbance' is passed along. If the string is very taught, the delays will be less and the wave will travel faster. If the string is very slack (or very heavy) the delays will be greater and the speed will be slower.
 

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