What Does a Mole of DNA Look, Smell, and Feel Like?

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The discussion explores the physical characteristics of a mole of DNA, including its appearance, texture, and smell, with a focus on both mammalian and plant DNA. Participants consider the implications of DNA's variable length and molecular weight in relation to the concept of a mole, as well as the practical aspects of DNA extraction and visualization.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the validity of discussing "a mole of DNA" due to its variable length and molecular weight, suggesting that it may not be meaningful to define a mole in this context.
  • Warren describes extracted DNA as resembling "snot," noting that it appears cloudy and whitish, and discusses the challenges of visualizing pure DNA samples.
  • There is mention of the differences in DNA from various species, with some participants suggesting that a mole of human DNA and a mole of cauliflower DNA could be conceptually distinct due to their genetic makeup.
  • Participants discuss the physical qualities of DNA when extracted, including its texture and the potential for it to appear as long, snotty fibers when cells are lysed.
  • Some participants express curiosity about the different types of DNA present in humans, referencing the 23 pairs of chromosomes and the complexity of DNA extraction processes.
  • There are humorous exchanges regarding the comparison of DNA to snot, with some participants noting that the color and consistency can vary based on conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that extracted DNA has a snot-like appearance, but there is no consensus on the concept of a mole of DNA due to its variable nature. Multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of DNA's structure and extraction methods.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in defining a mole of DNA due to its variable lengths and molecular weights, as well as the complexities involved in DNA extraction and visualization. There are unresolved questions about the nature of different types of DNA and their presence in cells.

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What would a mole of mammal DNA look like? Smell like? Feel like?

How about a mole of plant DNA?
 
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To have a mole of something you need a finite number of regular molecules. 6.022*10^23 to be exact. DNA comes in long chains or little snippets, and depending on its nucleotide makeup would come in different molecular weights even if it was of uniform length. So I don't know if you can even have a 'mole of DNA' in the general sense.
 
When it's extracted from cells in preparation for sequencing or PCR, it looks a lot like, well, snot.

- Warren
 
In regards to looking like snot, I don't think there would be much difference between plant and animal DNA. Feels? Probably slimey.
 
tandoorichicken said:
To have a mole of something you need a finite number of regular molecules. 6.022*10^23 to be exact. DNA comes in long chains or little snippets, and depending on its nucleotide makeup would come in different molecular weights even if it was of uniform length. So I don't know if you can even have a 'mole of DNA' in the general sense.

So maybe I should have stated a mole of human DNA and a mole of cauliflower DNA. Because each species have very similar DNA and each cell in an individual entity such as human have the same length, size DNA but only choose to read a segment of it (This DNA was formed when the person first formed and became a zygote cell). How many moles of cells in a human? So it should be attainable.
 
pivoxa,

DNA is molecule with variable length. Some pieces of DNA are quite long, while some can be quite short. Thus, it makes no sense to talk about "a dozen DNA," nor does it make sense to talk about "a mole of DNA."

Either way, your question is just asking about the physical qualities of a large amount of pure DNA, and doesn't really depend on the interpretation of the word "mole."

- Warren
 
chroot said:
When it's extracted from cells in preparation for sequencing or PCR, it looks a lot like, well, snot.

- Warren


What colour?

Do most single type proteins in mass look like this?
 
chroot said:
pivoxa,

DNA is molecule with variable length. Some pieces of DNA are quite long, while some can be quite short. Thus, it makes no sense to talk about "a dozen DNA," nor does it make sense to talk about "a mole of DNA."

Either way, your question is just asking about the physical qualities of a large amount of pure DNA, and doesn't really depend on the interpretation of the word "mole."

- Warren

So just say in a human, you say there are many different types of DNA? Is that because there are 23 pairs of different chromosomes and the DNA in them are different? Are all these different types present in the zygote cell? How many different types are there?
 
It's a cloudy whitish color.

- Warren
 
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pivoxa15 said:
So just say in a human, you say there are many different types of DNA? Is that because there are 23 pairs of different chromosomes and the DNA in them are different? Are all these different types present in the zygote cell? How many different types are there?

There are 23 pairs of chromosomes, each of different length, and the code carried by each is indeed different. Furthermore, when you extract DNA, you necessarily damage it. What you end up with is not 23 pairs of nice tidy complete DNA strands -- you end up with a mush of millions of broken pieces of DNA of all different lengths. Then you use a gene sequencing machine (and a supercomputer) to fit the jigsaw puzzle back together again.

- Warren
 
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chroot said:
It's a cloudy whitish color.

- Warren
Isn't snot green by definition? :confused:
 
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arildno said:
Isn't snot green by definition? :confused:
Only if you've got a cold, I think.

- Warren
 
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"green" means sinusitis. arildno - do you have some kind of perennial infection?
 
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jim mcnamara said:
"green" means sinusitis. arildno - do you have some kind of perennial infection?
Not really. At other times, thiough, I would call it "icky-stuff-from-the-nose", rather than "snot".:redface:
 
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chroot said:
When it's extracted from cells in preparation for sequencing or PCR, it looks a lot like, well, snot.

The PBS documentary "Journey of Man" by Spencer Wells shows this in one scene. (great show, BTW)
 
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chroot said:
When it's extracted from cells in preparation for sequencing or PCR, it looks a lot like, well, snot.

- Warren
Maybe dried snot. :confused: If there are no salts or proteins contaminating the preparation, it's actually darned hard to see when completely isolated. Usually just a clear-ish speck on the bottom of the tube that you can only be sure is there when you start reconstituting it with water and see where the water flow changes (in the 10-100 microgram range...how many moles would depend on the size of the DNA strand, which varies with species, but a LOT). Salts in your preparation will leave the pellet looking a bit cloudier...easier to see, but not pure (and then the folks that do the sequencing for you yell at you and send it back to be purified better ).
 
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Moonbear - the voice of experience?
 
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Moonbear said:
Maybe dried snot. :confused: If there are no salts or proteins contaminating the preparation, it's actually darned hard to see when completely isolated. Usually just a clear-ish speck on the bottom of the tube that you can only be sure is there when you start reconstituting it with water and see where the water flow changes (in the 10-100 microgram range...how many moles would depend on the size of the DNA strand, which varies with species, but a LOT). Salts in your preparation will leave the pellet looking a bit cloudier...easier to see, but not pure (and then the folks that do the sequencing for you yell at you and send it back to be purified better ).
That is after you have spun it down. When you lyse cells and the DNA is released, you get very long snotty fibers of DNA. Samples of genomic DNA that have a high concentration can be hard to pipet because of the snotty nature of the sample.
 
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Monique said:
That is after you have spun it down. When you lyse cells and the DNA is released, you get very long snotty fibers of DNA. Samples of genomic DNA that have a high concentration can be hard to pipet because of the snotty nature of the sample.
Oops, I realized that I've only dealt with plasmid DNA (to ultimately use as templates for making probes for in situ hybridization), and throw away the snotty genomic DNA in everything I do, so forgot about what that part looks like; I have better recollection of those stubborn pellets. :redface:
 
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I'm really digging our highly intellectual discussions of snot. :smile:
 
  • #21
tandoorichicken said:
I'm really digging our highly intellectual discussions of snot. :smile:


You would prefer disordered fragments of long chain complexes?
 
  • #22
DNA snippets also have liquid crystal states, when in the DNA is at high concentration in water... those solutions are pretty in optical microscopy... there is some dependency of the optical microscopy on the helicity, temp, concentration, etc. I have some friends preparing a publication.

but yeah -- by itself... whitish snot.
 

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