What does a woman value MOST in a man?

[cronxeh]

been hurt too many times for flame of hope to last, been happy only once - it wasnt meant to last

 

[singleton]

They are secondary but they are still important IMO.

I don't think its shallow to say I wouldn't go near a 300lb woman with breasts down to her belly button even if she had everything else going for her. If she can't take care of her health that speaks volumes in my opinion.

I don't expect bountiful breasts and luscious lips from all women, but you have to not want to chew off your arm when you wake up next to someone. Is the "natural beauty" part luck of the draw? Sure. But with 6 billion people you can be a little picky

Everyone has different tastes at that point. As long as the woman isn't balding, has a nice smile and good skin its a level playing field. Thats when your own taste comes in. I see many women I think are gorgeous that others think are average and vice versa.

I'm really picky, though I don't have a "checklist" like some of my buds use. There is no preference. Its based on just how I feel at that moment when I see her. If she doesn't make me nervous and intimidate me just by smiling or laughing then I'm not going to pursue it. Thats my indicator at least

Don't listen to me, though. In my 22 years I've met hundreds of women and only three I've ever liked. I'll die alone

 

[polyb]

Let's turn it around the other way. The men here are all very intelligent and have a lot going for them. Would you really want a relationship or marriage to a woman who was very pretty, but stared at you with blank looks every time you started talking about things that were interesting to you? It would drive you absolutely nuts. Physical appearances are only useful if you're only interested in a physical relationship. If you're looking for a deeper, lasting relationship, physical appearances become secondary to personality and intelligence.

OK moonie, I will tell you what I look for even though I know it's only a dream and my life of celebacy is my doom!

The first thing I look at are her eyes, it is with the eyes that I can 'read' a lot of her persona plus they are the last things to go! Next I look for intelligence, I like smart women with wicked wits and a goood sense of humor. They are going to need that to keep me in check! BTW, I find the glasses thing attractive as well, I don't know why except they have the 'image' of intelligence. I have to re-examine that one! I would prefer the women I date to have their own intersts because that would give me something interesting to consider. I have a wide variety of interests and something new or different is nice! I also look for flexibility, psycological and physical , this is important in order to deal with the slings and arrows of misfortune in life. I also would like someone who has a realistic perspective on the absurditites of life, often people take things seriously that are not really serious and completely disregard those subtle things that truly are important. Next is the 'cuteness' factor; I am a sucker for woman that I find 'cute' probably because 'cute' has longevity and that is advantageous for any potential progeny. Then there is the 'fiesty' factor, the world can be a pretty tough place and sometimes you have to stand your ground otherwise some of those jerks out there will just roll you over! Finally someone who can tolerate me, I figure if she can't accept me for who I am then that is just tough luck, I only change when it stands to reason. I am a work in progress and I learn as I go so I do make mistakes! So there you have it, those are some of the things I look for though I know it is not in the stars for me.

 

[cronxeh]

But with 6 billion people you can be a little picky

Didnt know you swinged both ways haha

 

[singleton]

Didnt know you swinged both ways haha

arg
oh snap you got me

well, take what, 51% of that 6 billion :P

You know what I meant

 

[cronxeh]

Didnt Know You Were A Child Molester Either

granny lover..

 

[mattmns]

Let's turn it around the other way. The men here are all very intelligent and have a lot going for them. Would you really want a relationship or marriage to a woman who was very pretty, but stared at you with blank looks every time you started talking about things that were interesting to you? It would drive you absolutely nuts. Physical appearances are only useful if you're only interested in a physical relationship. If you're looking for a deeper, lasting relationship, physical appearances become secondary to personality and intelligence.

I have only one requirment: She must be a supermodel.




Ok, seriously for a second:

Looks: As long as a woman is in good health (not overweight, does not smoke, not an alcoholic) then I am probably fine with her looks. Of course, some women will look better than others, but I think about 80+% of girls at my school fall into the looks are fine with me category.

Intelligence: I think that most women with a college degree will probably be ok in the intelligence category, as long as they have a solid grasp of common sense (which is what college seems to teach anyway), and are a realist (have a good touch with reality).

Personality: I am not very strict with personality. As long as the woman is not some mean ass *****. I guess I can say good sense of humor (whatever that means).

Career/Job: Does not matter too much as long as they do not work more than 40 hours every week. No journalist.

Hobbies: Does not matter too much, I am interested in plenty of things. Sports and games are a huge plus though.

Other things:
-Must be able to put up with my huge endowment
-Loves minsweeper: A huge plus.
-Listens to 2pac, The Beatles, Bone Thugs: Also a huge plus.

 

[SOS2008]

...but you have to not want to chew off your arm when you wake up next to someone.

Funny but true! This is what I think in regard to men with money. As they say, women who marry for money still pay a price. Most of these men are obnoxious, not to mention often physically unattractive as well. So there you have it--there is some importance to physical attraction. However, what is physically attractive varies, and includes what's inside.

I'm really picky, though I don't have a "checklist" like some of my buds use.

How do I get my hands on that?

Don't listen to me, though. In my 22 years I've met hundreds of women and only three I've ever liked. I'll die alone

You best be gettin' with it old timer!

I noticed there is no option for "other." The combinations are no help! So I will vote for #2. Like other's have said, I actually do not like buff men (who also tend to be self-absorbed, and even shallow), though I prefer beefy guys over bean poles. Humor (all the men who have wit, also have intelligence), sincerity, and a decent work ethic, which usually results in a reasonable income--these few things go a long way.

The cottage in the Rockies sounds pretty good, and I'll have to check out the Bone Thugs...

 

[Moonbear]

SOS, you're female?! Welcome to the PF Sisterhood! Of course we have to wait for the other sisters to officially vote you in, but we're pretty generous about membership.

I too had some trouble with the lack of choices/proper combinations.

Some of those things are related to others. For example, professional standing isn't important to me, but someone who is able to at least hold a job is important, but that's important relevant to stability and maturity, not money, for me.

 

[Math Is Hard]

SOS, you're female?! Welcome to the PF Sisterhood! Of course we have to wait for the other sisters to officially vote you in, but we're pretty generous about membership.

I too had some trouble with the lack of choices/proper combinations.

Some of those things are related to others. For example, professional standing isn't important to me, but someone who is able to at least hold a job is important, but that's important relevant to stability and maturity, not money, for me.

Welcome to the 'hood, SOS, homegirl!

Regarding what you were saying, MB, I don't really care what job a man has unless he's got one that makes him miserable. If he does, that means he'll come home in a terrible mood everyday.

 

[KingNothing]

I'm not a woman, but as far as the job thing, "If I were a woman" I wouldn't be with someone that didn't have the initiative to quit a job if they hated it. That underlying cause would be a big factor for me.

Anyway, I agree that a lot of buff guys are self-absorbed and generally ignorant. Part of it is due to the fact that getting to be really buff reqires some ignorance and much dedication.

 

[Moonbear]

I'm not a woman, but as far as the job thing, "If I were a woman" I wouldn't be with someone that didn't have the initiative to quit a job if they hated it. That underlying cause would be a big factor for me.

I think you're right on that. Taking the initiative to change what you're unhappy with is an important trait. However, that doesn't mean just getting fed up with the boss and walking out, it would mean lining up a new job or new course of action (such as going back to school if necessary) before quitting.

 

[SOS2008]

Welcome to the 'hood, SOS, homegirl!

Thanks! Hey, do I sound butch or something? (Maybe I should upload my pic -- or maybe I could borrow your Barbie photo?) Though I'm not as smart as everyone else, I'm addicted to this forum--my loved ones are threatening intervention!

So how do the guys see the results of the poll if they can't vote?

 

[Evo]

So how do the guys see the results of the poll if they can't vote?

The guys are voting (the ones that didn't read about men not posting), so far all women have voted #2, the men have made the other votes.

 

[Moonbear]

Thanks! Hey, do I sound butch or something? (Maybe I should upload my pic -- or maybe I could borrow your Barbie photo?) Though I'm not as smart as everyone else, I'm addicted to this forum--my loved ones are threatening intervention!

We'd start a PF addiction support group, but none of us are willing to give up the addiction. You should upload your photo! We have a member photo thread, up near the top of the page here, where you can do that (unless you have and I missed it).

So how do the guys see the results of the poll if they can't vote?

You can view the results without voting by clicking on "view results." That button disappears once you've voted because the results automatically display then. These aren't exactly scientific polls here.

 

[JasonRox]

I haven't read all the posts, but I'm aware that guys are voting.

This sort of poll will not give guys any advice. Be yourself and never change that. You may change as time changes, but don't change as the females do.

I mentionned it in another post...like all guys, girls are all different. Most girls want a guy that is attractive to them. I personally wouldn't date a girl who isn't attractive, and I haven't dated a girl who isn't attracted to me. This is NORMAL! This is not being shallow. Those who only want intelligent girls are just as shallow as those who only want attractive girls.

Personally, I recommend to not look for someone. Just enjoy life and talk to people. You will find someone eventually, which can be next week or in a year.

I met my current gf while not looking at all, and I must say I'm blown away. I can't even put it into words, but I try to.

Note: We celebrated Valentine's Day yesterday because we missed it. One word... perfect.

 

[mattmns]

Yeah I screwed up. I think anyone can view the results before voting; but I am not 100% sure.

 

[SOS2008]

I'm not a woman, but as far as the job thing, "If I were a woman" I wouldn't be with someone that didn't have the initiative to quit a job if they hated it. That underlying cause would be a big factor for me.

True, the world doesn't need grouchy commuters. But I agree with Moonbear about working to make a transition in a responsible way. Also, being supportive of a significant other is a two-way street.

I think the gig with the gals is just as long as the guy contributes and isn't a lazy mooch, that's what's important. Though once when I earned more than a boyfriend, he was the one that had a problem dealing with it.

Anyway, I agree that a lot of buff guys are self-absorbed and generally ignorant. Part of it is due to the fact that getting to be really buff reqires some ignorance and much dedication.

They look in the mirror more than some women flip their hair! (though Moonbear DOES have great hair!)

 

[JasonRox]

Anyway, I agree that a lot of buff guys are self-absorbed and generally ignorant. Part of it is due to the fact that getting to be really buff reqires some ignorance and much dedication.

I used to be buff and I was never ignorant. Ignorance is not part of becoming buff.

Believe it or not, I covered it like all the time. I wore SWEATERS in the summer! My gf at the time hated that, but I just didn't like sharing it.

I'm on my way to try and get it partially back, and ignorance isn't on the to do list. The stereotypes against buff guys are terrible because I have not met too many ignorant ones.

 

[Evo]

I used to be buff and I was never ignorant. Ignorance is not part of becoming buff.

Believe it or not, I covered it like all the time. I wore SWEATERS in the summer! My gf at the time hated that, but I just didn't like sharing it.

I'm on my way to try and get it partially back, and ignorance isn't on the to do list. The stereotypes against buff guys are terrible because I have not met too many ignorant ones.

Have you ever gone to a Gold's Gym.

I'm being terrible. But there are men that fall into the "big & dumb" category. Some are very sweet, but not too bright.

 

[SOS2008]

You're right, the remarks about guys who are into working out were stereotypical--sorry 'bout that. I do feel it is fair to say, however, that if it is an obsession, it can be a problem.

Be yourself and never change that. ...Personally, I recommend to not look for someone. Just enjoy life and talk to people. You will find someone eventually, which can be next week or in a year.

Good advice regardless of gender.

I wouldn't confuse being who you are (values, etc.), with not trying to improve throughout your life. It is normal to change over time, especially when young...most people don't become who they will be until 30 or so. Still, it is not to say you are "hard-wired" and can't learn and grow.

 

[KingNothing]

I used to be buff and I was never ignorant. Ignorance is not part of becoming buff.

Believe it or not, I covered it like all the time. I wore SWEATERS in the summer! My gf at the time hated that, but I just didn't like sharing it.

I'm on my way to try and get it partially back, and ignorance isn't on the to do list. The stereotypes against buff guys are terrible because I have not met too many ignorant ones.

Being ignorant isn't a requirement to being buff, but the lifestyle that accompanies good muscle mass gaining most of the time does involve ignorance. And it does require being ignorant to the majority of trainers who are underqualified and do not know what they are talking about.

And to be honest, stereotypes are very useful things. Although they aren't 100% accurate, and often not even 75%, most people don't have time to find out the details about everyone.

 

[Gale]

didn't read everyone elses posts, i will when I'm less tired. But ya, i picked intelligence and personality. Usually when a guy is really sweet and knows how to think, i have no problem at all seeing him as very cute and sexy. actually, if any guy could actually put up with me and understand me, i'd probably worship him as a sex god. personality is like everything. i can rationalize anybody type if the guy gives me a good reason to.

 

[Astronuc]

Remove personal refs in quotes

Part of it is due to the fact that getting to be really buff reqires some ignorance and much dedication.

Ignorance of what?

Being ignorant isn't a requirement to being buff, but the lifestyle that accompanies good muscle mass gaining most of the time does involve ignorance.

Not necessarily It requires discipline and understanding of physiology, especially doing it without the use of steroids. There are appropriate weight-training programs depending on what someone wants to achieve in terms of strength.

My current avatar picture is taken from when I first met my wife. I weighed 80 kgs and had a minimum strength-to-weight (STW) ratio of 1.5. I enjoyed sports like soccer (football), running and cycling. Now my weight is back down (70 kgs) to where it was when I left high school and my STW is slightly more than one.

Brains and brawn can go hand in hand. I qualified for a PhD program, but left for industry and to raise a family. And one can see from my posts in the science and engineering forums, that I am reasonably intelligent.

The stereotypes against buff guys are terrible because I have not met too many ignorant ones.

Yeah, but some men perhaps do fit the stereotype, but many others do not.

Stereotypes are prejudicial, and in general, not helpful or useful. I prefer to give people the benefit of doubt, and I don't pre-judge.

p.s. I don't post to impress anyone. I write to teach and provoke thought. I am both a student and teacher of Life.

An important quality to being a considerate and thoughtful person is self-reflection, or introspection.

 

[Clausius2]

EXTRACTED CONCLUSIONS SO FAR:

1) Women here "seem" an exception of the rule.

2) Either they are not being sincere, or they belong to a reduced statiscal group.

3) Another possibility they are so ugly that look for intelligence and personality because eventually pretty boys are not going to flirt with them never.

4) What happens? I have seen a lot of examples about really beautiful women being with stupid muscled guys, rich men, or famous-popular guys. My personal experience is: pretty girl + empty head man.

5) For instance, I haven't got car, and so the list of available girls is reduced considerably. Guys, do you think that it would be the same if I had a Porsche in my garage?.

6) Am I the only man here who has the same impression?. I see that Mattnms has said something I agree with it about women sincerity. Voting here for the "politically correct" option of intelligence and personality is quite far of real world.

I desire you are such an exception.

 

[Telos]

Well, I definitely look for a woman who looks for intelligence and personality in a man! She should take me seriously - if she doesn't, I'm not likely to take her seriously.

Clausius, the question is "what do you look for in...?" not "what do you already see?" Attractiveness and unattractiveness are things we already see. You don't have to look for them. So, I think you're eliciting very normal and healthy very real world answers.

I'm not trying to argue semantics, but to point out that you've uncovered something very authentic. I don't think the women of this forum are much exception (they are, of course, obviously exceptional in other ways) and that you will have little trouble finding a woman who looks for intelligence and personality.

You just have to look for it in them. ;)

[Edit: Oops, the question is actually "what does a woman value most in..." Sorry, I guess attention to detail is what separates economists from physicists. ;) But it's still the "in" that counts.]

 

[Polly]

Honestly? At the risk of being banned? Masculinity, everything that differentiates him from a woman, e.g. courage, tenacity, physical strength. For unless he is every bite oozing with manhood, he doesn't make me feel like a woman and it doesn't feel exciting or sexy to be with him.

 

[Moonbear]

EXTRACTED CONCLUSIONS SO FAR:

1) Women here "seem" an exception of the rule.

Clausius, that's not very scientific of you. You have your data and you've decided to dismiss it as an exception when every woman here has given you the same response. Considering we are of a variety of ages and walks of life, you'd be hard-pressed to show that's an exception.

2) Either they are not being sincere, or they belong to a reduced statiscal group.

3) Another possibility they are so ugly that look for intelligence and personality because eventually pretty boys are not going to flirt with them never.

And that sort of attitude will never get you any women. If you yourself are only interested in appearances, and not intelligence or personality, is it any wonder that's what you find? To accuse an entire group of women of being insincere when we have no reason not to be is not a good way of attracting them either. This goes to personality again.

4) What happens? I have seen a lot of examples about really beautiful women being with stupid muscled guys, rich men, or famous-popular guys. My personal experience is: pretty girl + empty head man.

I think you're exhibiting a great deal of jealousy in that statement. Do you know the men these women are dating, or do you assume they are empty-headed because they are muscular? How do you know they are rich either? Have you asked for their financial records?

5) For instance, I haven't got car, and so the list of available girls is reduced considerably. Guys, do you think that it would be the same if I had a Porsche in my garage?.

If you present yourself to women the way you have in this thread, where you've dismissed their opinions and reduced them to nothing more than appearances (such as your statement that personality and intelligence is only important if we aren't good looking), then no car or amount of money in the world is going to help. I don't know if it's a joke in other parts of the world, but in the US, women joke that a flashy sports car is to compensate for other things a man lacks. In other words, if a man thinks he can impress women with a car, only a shallow woman who wants his car instead of him will be interested.

6) Am I the only man here who has the same impression?. I see that Mattnms has said something I agree with it about women sincerity. Voting here for the "politically correct" option of intelligence and personality is quite far of real world.

No, we haven't voted because it's politically correct, we've voted from our own experiences of who we will date. If a guy is as dumb as a box of rocks, no amount of looks or money can make him interesting. Same goes for men who view women as objects and not people. If you're trying to ask out random women on dates based entirely on their appearances, and haven't even taken the time to find out anything about them first to decide if you'd actually want to spend time in their company, you are not going to succeed. This is especially true for the good-looking AND intelligent women. If that is the type of woman you'd like to meet, it is a huge turn-off to only be interested in her physical appearance and not be interested in her intelligence and personality as well.

If you only are interested in meeting women who are physically pretty and are not not interested in them having any intelligence, then don't be surprised if they are the same way, looking for only men who are physically good-looking, but have no intelligence. Because there is one thing all the women here have in common, and that is intelligence. To an intelligent woman, a man who treats her as only an object to look at is entirely unattractive.

 

[mattmns]

Personally, I recommend to not look for someone. Just enjoy life and talk to people. You will find someone eventually, which can be next week or in a year.

I met my current gf while not looking at all, and I must say I'm blown away. I can't even put it into words, but I try to.

I agree with Jason here. Note: Not on the part about being blown away by his gf

However, Clausius, if you really must find a woman now, then you might want to try one of the online services. You would probably be more comfortable, and you could see their interest, pictures, education, etc., before you even talk to them.

I think Moonbear sums it up nicely:

If you only are interested in meeting women who are physically pretty and are not not interested in them having any intelligence, then don't be surprised if they are the same way, looking for only men who are physically good-looking, but have no intelligence. Because there is one thing all the women here have in common, and that is intelligence. To an intelligent woman, a man who treats her as only an object to look at is entirely unattractive.

 

[Clausius2]

EXTRACTED CONCLUSIONS AFTER MOONBEAR HAS JUST TALKED ABOUT ME:



1) I am not looking for a stupid woman, understanding stupid as a woman who doesn't have any substance inside his head, no matter how she looks. BUT, to be sincere, I think there are few men on this planet who would reject one night with Pamela Anderson or whoever the typical stupid blonde is (I am not saying all blondies are stupid by the way).

2) Of course I am the first man who would be happy if the option of intelligence and personality win not only here but everywhere, because I think it will mean I have some possibility.

3) Do not dare to take me as a desperated man. I am not very lucky with my physical apperance but I think it is enough for me (I weigh 76 Kg and heigh 1.85m). By the way I have been a football player till some time ago, so I am not too out of fitness. As far as intelligence is concerned, my studies are enough proof of that, and I am not going to underline it more. I assume my personality is a bit strange (if it were not so, I wouldn't writting in PF).

4) Therefore I always look for something more than good looking in a woman, although I have to admit that appearance is a needed condition to establish a further relationship. I mean, good looking---->possible relationship; good looking without any substance into his head---->impossible relationship.

5) This is not a thread about what the men want a woman to be.

6) If every you are being sincere, I celeb it. I wish there were more women like you, Moonbear.

Clarification: this thread correspond to an actual situation in which I don't understand the behavior of some person who is usually near me. Although you don't understand it, some comments you posted might be useful at least in some vague manner.

 

[Gale]

well, i think maybe us pf women are a little different... elsewise we probably wouldn't even be at pf. Obviously we all enjoy intelligent friendly conversation right? so we'd like to have intelligent friendly men.

Me, personally, i really really like intelligent guys. Maybe cause i grew up in a really small town, but there weren't like any really smart guys. And the few that were, were really elitest jerks. So, i have a great appreciation for a compassionate, intelligent guy. unfortunately, i have yet to really meet one around here... most seem to be too quiet and shy, so its hard to get to know them, or really even notice them. But i look... I've met one or two... but they alway have girlfriends! I'm so unlucky...

 

[Moonbear]

But i look... I've met one or two... but they alway have girlfriends! I'm so unlucky...

Yeah, they can't be having that hard of a time finding girlfriends, because that's too often my experience too, that when I find them, they already have girlfriends, or wives, or live an ocean away, or...well, you get the point.

 

[Gale]

Yeah, they can't be having that hard of a time finding girlfriends, because that's too often my experience too, that when I find them, they already have girlfriends, or wives, or live an ocean away, or...well, you get the point.

i hear you, sister. reminds me of that joke: men are like parking spaces, all the good ones are either taken, too small, or handicapped. Honestly, we have just as hard of a time finding guys too.

 

[SOS2008]

i hear you, sister. reminds me of that joke: men are like parking spaces, all the good ones are either taken, too small, or handicapped. Honestly, we have just as hard of a time finding guys too.

That joke always makes me laugh!

In all fairness to the guys, I think there may be some confusion with what is being said. I do need to be physically attracted to the man to be interested in him on an intimate level. That being said, it doesn't necessarily mean the stereotype of "tall, dark, and handsome." My taste is completely different from my sister's, and most of my friends, thank goodness -- Who wants to get hit with friendly fire! For me I prefer a man who is taller and bigger than I am (so I can wear heels--that's not asking too much as I'm about 5'3", and so I know I can't take him in a wrestling match), I prefer him to be physically fit (maybe for the same reason, and so he can carry me out of the house if it catches on fire), a kind face...and no growths or strange rashes.

Also, in reading some of the recent posts, it made me think of "When Harry Met Sally" and Billy Crystal says there is no such thing as a plutonic relationship for men, because men naturally think about what sex would be like with their female friends. Herein lies a BIG difference. Obviously I will be aware if a male friend/acquaintance is good-looking, but sex doesn't even cross my mind. Of course, I'm also incredibly monogamous by nature. (And I may be rambling into the hi-jack zone just about now...and not because I was thinking about sex! )

 

[Moonbear]

Who wants to get hit with friendly fire!

LOL! I love that expression!

For me I prefer a man who is taller and bigger than I am (so I can wear heels--that's not asking too much as I'm about 5'3",

It's even easier for me, I'm only 5'2", so any guy 5'4" and up is tall enough for me. I'm not used to being taller than anyone, so I will admit a guy shorter than me would feel odd for me to stand next to.

and so I know I can't take him in a wrestling match),

Well, I do want to be able to take a guy in a wrestling match, but I might be thinking something rather different than you are here.

I prefer him to be physically fit (maybe for the same reason, and so he can carry me out of the house if it catches on fire), a kind face...and no growths or strange rashes.

Scars are okay with me though. Warm eyes are good too. In terms of physical fitness, a guy who can keep up with me is good enough. I wouldn't mind if he has nice biceps to squeeze, but it's not required.

(And I may be rambling into the hi-jack zone just about now...and not because I was thinking about sex! )

Oh, you mean this isn't the sex thread?

But, it remains that all those things are secondary to finding someone who is intelligent with a compatible personality (and that will vary from woman to woman as to how she defines compatible).

 

[SOS2008]

Well, I do want to be able to take a guy in a wrestling match, but I might be thinking something rather different than you are here. ).

Okay, I've been in a few myself...So how many have you won?

Scars are okay with me though.

So you like the "bad boy" look? Funny you should say that. The guy I've been dating has scars--busted again!

After I wrote my last post, I remembered I don't like hairy backs, and well, on down. But you know, this is easily remedied and no less pain for the gain then what women go through.

I wouldn't mind if he has nice biceps to squeeze...

Good squeeze is good.

Oh, you mean this isn't the sex thread?

Yeh, I haven't even gotten to the sex thread yet. In the male/female thread we have suggested consolidating these. We need a title though...

 

[Moonbear]

Okay, I've been in a few myself...So how many have you won?

You know, they always seem more than willing to let me win.

After I wrote my last post, I remembered I don't like hairy backs, and well, on down.

I used to think that was a big deal when I was younger, you know, thinking all that hair was pretty bad looking, but then when I met that guy I dated for a long time, he was downright furry, and it never bothered me a bit...on him, I thought it was so sexy, because I was madly in love with him long before we took the relationship to a physical level. That's how I'm sure that looks don't turn out to be all that important once you get to know someone well enough. Of course now I also know that ex-girlfriends need to be LONG gone before I'll date a guy...I don't want any more issues of falling that far in love with someone only to have him run off with the ex.

Afterall, we all grow old and gravity takes its toll eventually, so you have to love someone enough that you'll still want to be with them even when they're old, gray, bald, toothless, wrinkled and sagging, etc.

 

[JasonRox]

The funny part about biceps, is that it does not require much effort to get good looking arms.

Most guys look at it like it takes a million years of hard work.

I say 3 months at the gym doing some exercises 3 times a week will make you more firm.

Note: 3 months will go by FAST.

 

[Gale]

Afterall, we all grow old and gravity takes its toll eventually, so you have to love someone enough that you'll still want to be with them even when they're old, gray, bald, toothless, wrinkled and sagging, etc.

oh gee moonbear... you make love sound so sexy and attractive... maybe i oughtn't like older guys so much... mmmm sagging wrinkles

 

[Gale]

oooook, so i just noticed after i posted that when you put next to it looks a bit like my smilies are attempting some weird french kissing... oooh ya... sexxxxy

 

[Moonbear]

oooook, so i just noticed after i posted that when you put next to it looks a bit like my smilies are attempting some weird french kissing... oooh ya... sexxxxy

Oh, eeeewwwww! Not to french kissing in general, but to the way those two smilies are doing it! I think they need some sex advice too!

 

[JasonRox]

Did you ever try kissing with your eyes open?

I ought to try.

 

[Gale]

Did you ever try kissing with your eyes open?

I ought to try.

hahaha, you know, its funny. when i first learned how to kiss, i thought it'd be really interesting to watch it while doing it. It totally freaked my boyfriend out once when he happened to open his eyes, cause i was like staring down my nose... i must've look sooooo funny... no wonder that relationship didn't last long... sigh

 

[Moonbear]

The funny part about biceps, is that it does not require much effort to get good looking arms.

Most guys look at it like it takes a million years of hard work.

I say 3 months at the gym doing some exercises 3 times a week will make you more firm.

Note: 3 months will go by FAST.

Or he can help me drag bags of mulch around the yard all day, and that should help too (yeah, I'm sitting here staring at the order form trying to decide if I really need to do mulch again this year, I can still remember the pain of not moving my arms for a few days last time, when I got a full pallet of 60 bags; maybe a half pallet to touch up the flower beds this year). Then there are fence post holes to be dug (a few sections of the fence finally fell down this winter, so no more procrastinating on that job). I can find more than enough ways for a guy to work out without having to waste time in a gym.

It's inevitable, if he doesn't start out in shape with me, he will be soon enough. I've never yet met a guy who could stand watching a woman lifting more than he could; they all seem willing to kill themselves just to lift more than me. Meh, I'm a bit out of shape now myself, so I'll go easier on them. When I move to a new job and can get back to my daily sheep-lifting routine, I'll be in much better shape again.

 

[JasonRox]

hahaha, you know, its funny. when i first learned how to kiss, i thought it'd be really interesting to watch it while doing it. It totally freaked my boyfriend out once when he happened to open his eyes, cause i was like staring down my nose... i must've look sooooo funny... no wonder that relationship didn't last long... sigh

I'm going to tell my gf that I will do it. I won't tell her when though.