What does Hilbert's Satz 90 mean?

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The discussion revolves around Hilbert's Satz 90, specifically its implications in the context of finite cyclic field extensions and Galois groups. Participants seek clarification on the concepts of norm and the expression S(c)/c, as well as the basic definitions related to these terms.

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  • One participant requests a simpler explanation of Hilbert's Satz 90, particularly regarding the meaning of norm 1 and the expression S(c)/c.
  • Another participant suggests that the original poster may lack understanding of basic terminology, noting that the norm is a multiplicative function constant on Galois orbits.
  • A participant explains that if the norm of an element is one, it can be expressed as the quotient S(c)/c, where S is an element of the Galois group.
  • Further clarification is provided on the actions of the Galois group, stating that elements fixed by the group belong to the smaller field, and the operations of trace and norm are described as symmetric functions that yield fixed elements.
  • One participant expresses a view that the terminology used in the discussion may seem mysterious to those unfamiliar with the concepts, comparing it to a form of enjoyment derived from the confusion of others.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the understanding of the terms involved, with some expressing confusion and others providing technical explanations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of Hilbert's Satz 90 and its components.

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Some participants indicate a lack of clarity regarding basic definitions and concepts, which may affect their understanding of the theorem. The discussion includes varying levels of familiarity with the subject matter.

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Hilbert's Satz 90 states that,
“for a finite cyclic field extension K/F with Galois group (S):
An element b є K has norm 1 (with respect to the extension K/F) iff b = S(c)/c for some c є K*.

Can someone please explain this to me in simpler terms? I'm not sure what he means by norm 1 or S(c)/c.
 
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can someone explain this in simpler terms
 
you don't seem to know the meanings of the basic words in the subject, so it is odd you are asking the question. it also makes it hard to answer since one does not know what toa ssume. however if you know what a galois group is, then the basic fact about the norm is that is a multiplicative function from the (non zero elements of) the big field to the (non zero elements of the) small field, which is constant on galois orbits. I.e. it has the same value on c and on s(c) where s is an element of the galois group S.

(Is this your confusion, did you mistake the group for an element of the group?)

anyway, it follows that the norm of the two elements c and s(c) must be the same, so by multiplicativity, the norm of s(c)/c must be one. The theorem says this is the only way to get norm one in the cyclic case. i.e. if the norm of an element is one, then that element can be expressed as the quotient s(c)/c of two elements of the same galois orbit.

you can read this in presumably any algebra book, e.g. lang's algebra. indeed i am only repeating what i just read there.
 
recall a galois group acts on a field extension in such a way as to leave fixed all the elements of the smaller field. conversely, in case of a galois extension, any element of the larger field extension which is left fixed by the whole group actually belongs to the smaller field. so to map an element of the larger field down to the smaller field we just need to produce an element which is fixed by the galois group. the simplest way to do this is to take the element together with all its images under elements of the group and add them together. Since adding is a symmetric function, we get a fixed element, hence an element of the smaller field. this adding operation is called the trace. if instead we multiply, we get what is called the norm. so they are pretty trivial concepts really. one gives an additive map and one gives a multiplicative map. by calling them these odd names we make it seem mysterious to the uninitiated, and enjoy ourselves at their expense, much as children hunting "snipe" do. in psychology of pathology this is called "schadenfreude", or taking pleasure in the misery of others.
 

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