What does it mean to solve a problem 'analytically'?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of solving problems 'analytically' versus using visual methods, particularly in the context of geometry and physics. Participants explore the definitions, implications, and distinctions between analytical solutions and graphical representations in problem-solving.

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  • Some participants suggest that solving a problem analytically involves finding explicit equations without approximations, while others note that this can be challenging, especially for differential equations.
  • One participant mentions that numerical methods, such as Newton's Method, are used when analytic solutions are not available, highlighting the role of computational tools in modern problem-solving.
  • There is a discussion about the role of visuals in proofs, with some arguing that proofs should stand independently of diagrams, while others acknowledge that visuals can aid in understanding but do not constitute the proof itself.
  • Participants explore the meaning of geometry, noting its evolution from visual representations to more abstract concepts involving metrics and norms on curved surfaces.
  • A specific example from a physics textbook is cited, contrasting graphical methods with analytical solutions in the context of equilibrium problems.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and role of visuals in proofs and problem-solving, indicating that there is no consensus on whether visual methods can be considered equivalent to analytical solutions.

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The discussion includes references to specific mathematical and physical concepts, such as differential equations, metrics, norms, and the three-body problem, which may require further clarification for some participants.

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Also, when you solve a problem or prove something without the usual of pictures/visuals, what's that called? Is it called 'geometrical' if you DO use visuals?
 
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autodidude said:
Also, when you solve a problem or prove something without the usual of pictures/visuals, what's that called? Is it called 'geometrical' if you DO use visuals?

Of the field of geometry, two of the most important attributes are distance and angle.

Lots of people do associate geometry with something that is more or less a visual representation, but the word geometry actually means 'measure of the earth' and it has evolved to the point where we can measure things (metric, norm) in terms of distance on objects that are not flat, but instead have positive or negative curvature (like the surface of a circle or a horse saddle).

Distance relates to metrics and norms, and angles relate to inner products and the two of them can be related to each other by using standard definitions of inner products and norms.
 
Solving something analytically usually means finding an explicit equation without making approximations. When solving differential equations, analytic solutions can be difficult and some times impossible. The power of computers have made even the most difficult differential equations (that relate to reality) a lot easier to approximate numerically. The classic example is the three body problem in physics.

Do you know Newton's Method for finding roots to polynomial equations? That is an example of a numerical approximation method that can be used if there is no good formula for finding the root (analytic solution).

In my experience (only undergrad) there is no such thing as a proof of anything significant by using visuals. Often diagrams are used to clarify an explicit proof, but the proof would stand on its own. Of course there are problems that concern a physical question, but even then, the proofs rely on non-visual arguments.

Second Chiro's response. Geometry go far beyond what can be visualized or drawn.
 
Thanks

I just found an example in my physics textbook, 'the construction in fig. 2-2 provides a satisfactory graphical method for the solution of problems in equilibrium. For an analytical solution,, it is usually simpler to deal with the rectangular components of the forces.'

That was on the equilibrium of particle, fig. 2.2 is a picture of a blob with three vectors acting on it
 

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