What does N^2 mean in the case of natural numbers?

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The discussion clarifies the meaning of N^2 in the context of natural numbers, specifically as the Cartesian product of the set of natural numbers, denoted as ##\mathbb{N} \times \mathbb{N}##. Participants confirm that N^2 represents all pairs of natural numbers (a, b). The conversation also addresses how to express conditions for integers k, l, and m in a single line, emphasizing the distinction between ordered triplets and simple sets of numbers. The notation for expressing conditions is refined, with suggestions for using the 'such that' symbol for clarity.

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What does the N^2 mean in this case? (Image below)

Does it mean, for all two pairs of natural numbers, a and b?

How would I represent non pair numbers, i.e. how would I write "For integers k,l, and m such that k>1, l>2, m>k+l" all in one line?
 

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MienTommy said:
What does the N^2 mean in this case? (Image below)
It means the Cartesian product ##\mathbb{N} \times \mathbb{N}##
Does it mean, for all two pairs of natural numbers, a and b?
Yes.
How would I represent non pair numbers, i.e. how would I write "For integers k,l, and m such that k>1, l>2, m>k+l" all in one line?
You just did, didn't you? What are non pair numbers? Or did you mean
$$\forall_{ \begin{array} ((k,l,m) \in \mathbb{N}\times\mathbb{N}\times\mathbb{N} \\ k > 1 \\ l > 2 \\ m>k+l \end{array}}$$
 
Yes that is what I meant. I wanted to know the symbol form.
Would you add a such that symbol '|' after N×N×N?

If I removed the parenthesis, ∀k,l,m∈N×N×N | k>1, l>2, m>k+l
Then would it mean the same thing?
 
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MienTommy said:
Yes that is what I meant. I wanted to know the symbol form. Would you add a such that symbol '|' after N×N×N? If I removed the parenthesis, ∀k,l,m∈N×N×N | k>1, l>2, m>k+l

Then would it mean the same thing?
If you remove the parenthesis, then one ##\mathbb{N}## is enough. There is a subtle difference between them: ##k,l,m \in \mathbb{N}## are simply three natural numbers, whereas ##(k,l,m) \in \mathbb{N}^3## is a ordered triplet. In most cases this doesn't really matter, but rigorously it's not the same. And of course one wouldn't actually write all conditions below each other since it's impractical. An alternative would be to write ##\forall_{k,l,m \in \mathbb{N}} \,\text{ with }\, k>1\,,\,l>2\,,\,m>k+l \;:\;## etc.
 
I see. What is the difference between the ordered triplet and the other?
 
MienTommy said:
I see. What is the difference between the ordered triplet and the other?
##(1,2,3) \neq (2,3,1)## but ##1,2,3## are only three numbers.
 
MienTommy said:
What does the N^2 mean in this case? (Image below)

Does it mean, for all two pairs of natural numbers, a and b?

How would I represent non pair numbers, i.e. how would I write "For integers k,l, and m such that k>1, l>2, m>k+l" all in one line?
If A and B are sets A^B is the set of all maps of B into A. In your case 2 stands for a set with two elements, {1,2} for example.
 

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