What Does Sigma Represent in a 2D Gaussian Distribution?

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The discussion centers on the interpretation and implications of the parameters sigma in a 2D Gaussian distribution, particularly in the context of normalization constants, physical significance, and transformations under rotation. Participants explore different cases of sigma values and their effects on the Gaussian's properties, including integration over specified regions.

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  • In Case 1, one participant proposes that the normalization constant is ## A = \frac {1}{2\pi (\sigma_x^2 + \sigma_y^2)} ##, while another suggests it is ## A = \frac {1}{2\pi \sigma(x) \sigma(y)} ##.
  • For Case 2, there is agreement that the normalization constant is ## A = \frac {1}{2\pi \sigma^2} ## when ## \sigma_x = \sigma_y = \sigma ##.
  • Participants express uncertainty regarding the physical significance of sigma without additional context.
  • One participant raises a question about finding analogous regions for integration that yield specific probabilities (0.68 and 0.95) when ## \sigma_x \neq \sigma_y ##.
  • Another participant suggests that the analogous region for integration is defined by the intervals ## [x_0 - \sigma(x), x_0 + \sigma(x)] ## and ## [y_0 - \sigma(y), y_0 + \sigma(y)] ##.
  • There is a discussion about determining the characteristics of the Gaussian when rotated to new axes, with a focus on how to compute the new sigma values based on the rotation angle.
  • A participant questions the mean position of the centroid after rotation, noting discrepancies in their calculations.
  • There is inquiry into whether there is a straightforward method to compute the standard deviation of a rotated Gaussian or if integration is necessary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the normalization constants for the cases presented, but there is no consensus on the physical significance of sigma or the methods for analyzing the Gaussian under rotation. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the implications of sigma in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the discussion, such as the lack of physical context for sigma's significance and the unresolved mathematical steps related to transformations and integration over rotated axes.

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Case 1: I have a 2D Gaussian: ## Ae^{-[\frac { (x-x_o)^2 }{2 \sigma_x ^2} + \frac { (y-y_o)^2 }{2 \sigma_y ^2}]} ## where ## \sigma_x \neq \sigma_y ## (at least not necessarily). Using this as my 2D Gaussian, would the normalization constant be ## A = \frac {1}{2\pi (\sigma_x ^2 + \sigma_y ^2)} ##? In this context, what does ## \sigma = \sqrt{ \sigma_x ^2 + \sigma_y ^2} ## even mean?

Case 2: if ## \sigma_x = \sigma_y = \sigma ## in all cases, then I have: ## Ae^{-[\frac { (x-x_o)^2 + (y-y_o)^2 }{2 \sigma^2}]} ##. Would the normalization constant be ## A = \frac {1}{2\pi \sigma^2} ## in that case?

Also, in terms of physical significance, what is the difference between sigma in the first case and the second case (if any)?

Any help would be great!
 
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Case 1: I think the normalization constant is 1/(2pi sigma(x) sigma(y))
Case 2 I agree it is 1/(2pi (sigma(x))^2)
I am not sure what you mean by physical significance. You didn't introduce any physical context.
 
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davidmoore63@y said:
Case 1: I think the normalization constant is 1/(2pi sigma(x) sigma(y))
Case 2 I agree it is 1/(2pi (sigma(x))^2)
I am not sure what you mean by physical significance. You didn't introduce any physical context.

Thank you for the response.

For example, if ## z = Ae^{-[\frac { (x-x_o)^2 + (y-y_o)^2 }{2 \sigma^2}]} ## (where A is any constant), then if one integrates z over the space ## [x_o - \sigma, x_o + \sigma]\times[y_o - \sigma, y_o + \sigma] ## the result is ##0.68^2##. If the integration area is ## [x_o - 2\sigma, x_o + 2\sigma]\times[y_o - 2\sigma, y_o +2 \sigma] ## the result is ##0.95^2##. This will happen if ## \sigma_x = \sigma_y##. I am wondering what will happen if ## \sigma_x \neq \sigma_y##. Is there an analogous region over which one can find ##0.68^2## or ##0.95^2## of the datapoints for this type of Gaussian?
 
The analogous region is [x0 - sigma(x), x0+sigma(x)] x [y0 - sigma(y), y0 + sigma [y]].
 
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davidmoore63@y said:
The analogous region is [x0 - sigma(x), x0+sigma(x)] x [y0 - sigma(y), y0 + sigma [y]].

Now this may seem a little odd, but if I was to choose another arbitrary 2D-axis besides x and y, is there a way to find the sigma of the Gaussian on these axes just based on ## \sigma_x## and ##\sigma_y## and the angle these new set of axes make with original axes? For example, If I know ## \sigma_x = 4## and ##\sigma_y = 5## but I want to find 0.68 of all data in a region spanned by the axes going through x and y at 45 degrees and also -45 degrees, is there a method to do this? I've tried to describe my intent in the image--the Gaussian's characteristics are known on x and y, but now I want to know what the characteristics are on x' and y', where the angular different between x and x' and y and y' is known and also the same (i.e. x' any y' are also perpendicular to each other).

My main purpose of doing this is so that I know what the Gaussian's features are, regardless of which axis I view and analyze it from initially.
 

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davidmoore63@y said:
The analogous region is [x0 - sigma(x), x0+sigma(x)] x [y0 - sigma(y), y0 + sigma [y]].

Now I have a slightly odd inquiry. If using this equation in cylindrical coordinates, the equation becomes: ## z = Ae^{-[\frac { (rcos(\theta)-r_ocos(\theta_o))^2}{2 \sigma_x^2} + \frac {(rsin(\theta)-r_osin(\theta_o))^2 }{2 \sigma_y^2}]} ##

Now, I want to introduce a rotation to the Gaussian so that it is no longer strictly oriented in one direction, but now it is instead oriented randomly throughout space. I want to randomly orient this Gaussian by ## \theta_{rot} ## so that the new equation is: ## z1 = Ae^{-[\frac { (rcos(\theta - \theta_{rot})-r_ocos(\theta_o))^2}{2 \sigma_x^2} + \frac {(rsin(\theta - \theta_{rot})-r_osin(\theta_o))^2 }{2 \sigma_y^2}]} ##. This accomplishes what I want, but out of curiosity, is the mean position of the centroid is still given by ## (r_o, \theta_o) ##? For some odd reason, I keep computing the mean position's angle and I keep getting ## \theta_o + \theta_{rot}## instead of just ##\theta_o ##. It should be just ##\theta_o ##, right?

Or should the actual equation be: ## z2 = Ae^{-[\frac { (rcos(\theta - \theta_{rot})-r_ocos(\theta_o - \theta_{rot}))^2}{2 \sigma_x^2} + \frac {(rsin(\theta- \theta_{rot})-r_osin(\theta_o - \theta_{rot}))^2 }{2 \sigma_y^2}]} ##

Also, what exactly is the difference between z1 and z2?
 
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davidmoore63@y said:
The analogous region is [x0 - sigma(x), x0+sigma(x)] x [y0 - sigma(y), y0 + sigma [y]].

Also, if one has a 2D Gaussian with a sigmax and sigmay predefined (e.g. sigmax=3, sigmay=1). Then if you rotate it either 30 degrees, 40 degrees, or 50 degrees, what would be the new method to compute the standard deviation of this function in the original x- and y-axis? Is there a "simple" method to do this or is integrating the function and comparing intervals the only way, despite knowing the sigmas on two perpendicular axes and the exact rotation of the function?
 

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