What does simultaneous reality and non-commuting operators mean?

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The discussion centers on the implications of non-commuting operators in Quantum Mechanics (QM) and their relationship to simultaneous reality. Non-commuting operators, such as position (x) and momentum (d/dx), do not yield the same results regardless of the order of measurement, which challenges the notion of simultaneous reality for entangled particles. The conversation highlights that measuring one variable affects the knowledge of another, particularly in the context of the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen (EPR) paradox, where simultaneous reality is not applicable to non-commuting variables like spin along different axes.

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"if Quantum Mechanics (QM) is complete (and there are no "hidden variables"), then there cannot be simultaneous reality to non-commuting operators" - Taken from http://drchinese.com/David/Bell_Theorem_Negative_Probabilities.htm

I am trying to understand this sentence but I do not fully comprehend 'non-commuting operators'. Wikipedia uses an example of

"physical variables are represented by linear operators such as x (meaning multiply by x), and d/dx. These two operators do not commute as may be seen by considering the effect of their products x (d/dx) and (d/dx) x on a one-dimensional wave function ψ(x):"

is it the 'ψ(x)' that makes this non-commuting? Also, based on reading this, am I to assume that this means that the answer I arrive at is based on solely on the variable I measure first? I thought the idea was no matter what I measure, the other will reflect my observation. For example, I measure 'up' spin on variable A, therefore variable B must be 'down'. Regardless of the variable I measure first, the end result is the same: A is up and B is down.

Also, so I can try to nail down a clear definition, when EPR says 'simultaneous reality' are they referring to identical simultaneous instance of a variable?
 
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elbeasto said:
is it the 'ψ(x)' that makes this non-commuting?
No, the non-commutativity is a property of the operators themselves.

elbeasto said:
Also, based on reading this, am I to assume that this means that the answer I arrive at is based on solely on the variable I measure first? I thought the idea was no matter what I measure, the other will reflect my observation. For example, I measure 'up' spin on variable A, therefore variable B must be 'down'. Regardless of the variable I measure first, the end result is the same: A is up and B is down.
This is confusing measurements on the same particle with different (eventually non-commutating) operators and independent measurements on two entangled particles.

elbeasto said:
Also, so I can try to nail down a clear definition, when EPR says 'simultaneous reality' are they referring to identical simultaneous instance of a variable?
Consider spin along different directions. If one knows the spin along z, one knows nothing about the spin along x. So there is no simultaneous reality for spin along z and spin along x, they are not defined at the same time.
 

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