What does the equation ∇-∇Φ=∇^2Φ represent in this proof?

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The discussion revolves around the equation ∇-∇Φ=∇^2Φ within a proof, specifically exploring the mathematical identities related to vector calculus, particularly the divergence and gradient operations in the context of gravitational potential energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the transition from ∇-∇Φ=-4πGρ to ∇^2Φ=4πGρ, questioning the meaning of the symbols involved.
  • Another participant references a vector calculus identity stating that the divergence of the gradient of a function is the Laplacian of that function.
  • There is confusion regarding the interpretation of the symbols, with one participant asserting that ∇ by itself lacks meaning and suggesting that the "-" might be misinterpreted as a dot product instead of subtraction.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of understanding that the divergence of the gradient leads to the Laplacian, correcting the misunderstanding about the notation.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarification, indicating a realization of the misunderstanding.

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Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the interpretation of the symbols and the mathematical operations involved, with no consensus reached on the correct understanding of the equation.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the notation and the specific definitions of the operations being discussed, particularly the distinction between subtraction and dot product in the context of the gradient and divergence.

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Hey all, in this line of a proof it went straight from
∇-∇Φ=-4πGρ to
∇^2Φ=4πGρ
∇ is divergence, Φ is supposed to be potential energy.
G is gravitational constant and p is density so both are scalars, Any help apreciated.
 
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"gradient of the function Phi is the laplacian of the function Phi" So ∇Φ=∇^2Φ? but then why the ∇-∇Φ=∇^2Φ?
 
NotASmurf said:
"gradient of the function Phi is the laplacian of the function Phi" So ∇Φ=∇^2Φ? but then why the ∇-∇Φ=∇^2Φ?
You misread the previous post. It says "divergence of the gradient is the Laplacian". Don't omit "divergence of".
 
I believe you are mis-reading. A "[itex]\nabla[/itex]" by itself does not have any meaning and [itex](\nabla- \nabla)\phi[/itex] would be equal to 0.

I suspect that what you are reading as "-", a subtraction, is really "[itex]\cdot[/itex]", a dot product. [itex]\nabla^2 \phi[/itex] is defined as [itex]\nabla\cdot \nabla \phi[/itex].
 
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Brilliant! thank you so much, wow I cannot believe I didn't see that, wow.
 

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