What Equipment and Technology is Needed for Negative Energy Research in Fiction?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of negative energy in the context of a fictional narrative involving a physics professor researching this topic. Participants explore the necessary equipment and technology for such research, while also addressing the theoretical underpinnings and interpretations of negative energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the definition and creation of negative energy in the fictional context, suggesting that understanding its nature is crucial for determining the required research equipment.
  • Another participant humorously references a non-scientific interpretation of negative energy related to cats and televisions, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the term.
  • A participant cites Stephen Hawking's work on black holes and Hawking radiation, suggesting that negative energy is linked to the thermodynamic behavior of black holes.
  • In response, another participant challenges the notion of negative energy flowing into black holes, asserting that energy conservation principles dictate that mass is converted to energy as it radiates away.
  • Confusion arises regarding the existence and implications of negative energy, with references to other physicists who discuss its role in theoretical frameworks, including the generation of the universe from "nothing."
  • A participant mentions a white paper by Adam D. Helfer, which discusses the complexities of negative energy densities in relativistic quantum field theories, raising further questions about the existence of negative energy.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the terminology of negative energy, suggesting it may be analogous to potential energy, which can be positive or negative depending on the reference frame.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of negative energy, with some asserting its relevance in theoretical physics while others challenge its existence or application. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of negative energy, the assumptions underlying various claims, and the unresolved nature of the theoretical implications discussed.

Rafael300
Hi Everyone !

My latest project includes a physics professor engaged in negative energy research. My question is what type of equipment and its cost would such a laboratory require. You may assume a low eight figure grant (well, it is fiction). You may also include any speculative machinery reasonable technological advances might make available within the next two decades.

I'll be happy to provide any further information, detail, background you may require to better answer the question as well as the opening chapter for anyone curious as to where I'm going with this.

Thanx much !
 
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First: What's negative energy in your book? What creates it? How does it function?
We can't possible say what is needed to research it if we don't know what it is.
 
Do you mean maybe the negative energy that is supposedly produced by TVs and is absorbed by cats sleeping on the same TVs?:wink:

Here is a possible reference: :biggrin:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FAIKJBW/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Cats were already available for quite some decades. You don't have to wait two more.
 
My sincerest apologies for being unaware 'negative energy' might have different interpretations especially if one has cats for pets ! :-D

Following is an excerpt from "The Quantum Mechanics of Black Holes" by Stephen Hawking published in a 1977 edition of Scientific American which served as my layman's understanding of negative energy:

"A black hole radiates energy at a rate inversely proportional to the square of its mass. Although the evaporation rate is large only for subatomic size black holes, it provides a crucial link between the laws of black holes and the laws of thermodynamics. The Hawking radiation allows black holes to come into thermal equilibrium with their environment.

At first glance, evaporation leads to a contradiction. The horizon is a one-way street; energy can only flow inward. So how can a black hole radiate energy outward? Because energy must be conserved, the production of positive energy - which distant observers see as the Hawking radiation - is accompanied by a flow of negative energy into the hole. Here the negative energy is produced by the extreme space-time curvature near the hole, which disturbs the vacuum fluctuations. In this way, negative energy is required for the consistency of the unification of black hole physics with thermodynamics . . ."

Thank you "Nasu" and "Drakkith" for replying. I greatly appreciate your taking the time.

-r-
 
Yeah... that's not right. There is no "negative energy" flowing into the black hole. Energy is radiated away from the black hole, reducing its mass over time. the mass is turned into energy. This is how energy is conserved.
 
Now I'm really confused.

This forum contains a thread by "hurk4" titled "Negative energy versus positive energy" He states:

"Cancellation or generation of positive energy by negative energy and vice versa is so often brought up by very serious physicists (e.g. A. Guth, A.V. Fillipenko) as the argumentation for the possibility of the generation of our universe out of “nothing”, that I hardly dare to question this. As an example or metaphor for it is most often used the so called cancellation of (so called positive) kinetic energy by the (so called negative) gravitational energy . . "

Although the thrust of his argument is his rejection of negative energy as the cause for something arising out of nothing, he clearly (IMHO) implies negative energy is real. And as he further states, so do the "very serious physicists" A. Guth and A.V. Fillipenko.

Did Stephen Hawking publish a refutation to his view that negative energy is necessary to maintain a black hole's equilibrium with the Laws of Thermodynamics ??
 
Further to my point, I invite your attention to a white paper submitted on November 9, 1998 by Adam D. Helfer to Cornell University titled "The Physics of Negative Energy Densities", reference # arXiv:hep-th/9811081. He states:

"I review some recent results showing that the physics of negative energy densities, as predicted by relativistic quantum field theories, is more complicated than has generally been appreciated. On the one hand, in external potentials where there is a time--dependence, however slight, the Hamiltonians are unbounded below. On the other, there are limitations of quantum measurement in detecting or utilizing these negative energies."

So. Does negative energy exist or not ??
 
I think there's a misunderstanding of the terminology by one of us, possibly me. I don't know much about "negative" energy, but I expect it's similar to how potential energy can be positive or negative depending on how you're looking at it.
 

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