What Factors Influence the Density of a Hydrogen Cloud in Space?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the factors influencing the density of a hydrogen cloud in space, particularly in the context of gravitational dynamics and the behavior of particles within such clouds. Participants explore theoretical aspects, including gravitational acceleration, free-fall time, and the implications of density variations within molecular clouds.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the dependence of the free-fall time of a particle on its distance from the center of a hydrogen cloud, suggesting that it appears independent of radius.
  • Another participant notes that the free-fall time is constant only for constant density and references Kepler's 3rd law to explain the relationship between orbital period and enclosed mass.
  • It is proposed that a cloud with constant density would be gravitationally unstable, and in hydrodynamic equilibrium, the density would decrease with distance from the center.
  • A participant explains that the force acting on a particle at a greater radius is greater due to the increased mass, drawing an analogy to simple harmonic motion.
  • Questions arise regarding how to determine the density of hydrogen in conditions where external pressure is low, with a suggestion that the pressure in the interstellar medium is not zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of density on gravitational stability and the determination of density under low external pressure conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding assumptions about density constancy and the effects of external pressures, which are not fully explored. The discussion also lacks a consensus on the implications of these factors for the behavior of hydrogen clouds.

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Hi,

I wanted to ask, what does the density of a hydrogen cloud in space depend upon?

That might be a silly question given the definition of density, but here's the context;

Considering a particle at rest within a molecular cloud at radius r from the centre, I have shown that the acceleration this particle feels is approximately a \approx \frac{Gm}{r^{2}} \approx \frac{4 \pi G \rho r}{3} (from mass being density x volume).

Using the equations of motion for constant acceleration I have determined that the 'free fall' time of this particle is independent of r and can be approximated by t \approx \frac{1}{\sqrt{G \rho}}.

Two questions;

Why is this time independent of the particles distance from the center?

How do you determine the density of hydrogen when the external pressure is presumably close to zero?

Thanks!
 
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Thanks for the post! Sorry you aren't generating responses at the moment. Do you have any further information, come to any new conclusions or is it possible to reword the post?
 
The free-fall time is only constant for constant density. You can get this from Kepler's 3rd law t2~r3/m.(the square of the orbital period is proportional to the cube of the radius divided by the enclosed mass). Since for a constant density m~r3, this means that t=const.

A cloud with constant density would be gravitationally unstable though, In hydrodynamic equilibrium, the cloud density decreases like 1/r2. In that case, m~r (not ~r3), so that t2~r3/m ~ r2 i.e. t~r
 
BOAS said:
Why is this time independent of the particles distance from the center?
Because at larger r, there is more mass that is pulling the particle inward, so the force is greater in a way that ends up being proportional to r-- just like a simple harmonic oscillator (for which the time is also independent of r).
How do you determine the density of hydrogen when the external pressure is presumably close to zero?
You need to use the external pressure-- the pressure in the interstellar medium is not zero.
 

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