What Happens to Decay Energy in U-238 to Th-234 Transition?

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The discussion revolves around the decay process of Uranium-238 (U-238) to Thorium-234 (Th-234), specifically focusing on the energy released during this transition and the fate of the decay energy. Participants explore the implications of decay energy distribution, recoil effects, and the relationship between decay states and gamma emissions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a discrepancy between the decay energy reported (4.198 MeV) and the mass difference between U-238 and Th-234, questioning the fate of the remaining energy.
  • Another participant mentions an alternative decay energy value of 4.270 MeV, seeking clarification on the additional 72 keV not accounted for.
  • It is proposed that the missing energy is the recoil energy of the Th-234 daughter nucleus, which is supported by a later explanation referencing Newton's third law of motion and momentum conservation.
  • Participants discuss how the energy is shared between the alpha particle and the Th-234 nucleus, with one suggesting that the energy distribution is inversely proportional to their masses.
  • Questions arise regarding the nature of gamma rays emitted during the decay process, particularly whether their intensities reflect the probability of obtaining specific gamma ray energies and the implications of excited states on decay processes.
  • One participant speculates that if Th-234 is in an excited state, the excitation energy would not contribute to kinetic energy at the time of decay, affecting the energy distribution during subsequent transitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of decay energy distribution and the role of excited states, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific decay energy values and the implications of momentum conservation, but the discussion does not resolve the uncertainties surrounding the exact energy distribution and the behavior of excited states.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying nuclear physics, decay processes, and energy distribution in particle interactions.

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Hello, I need some help understanding this.

http://atom.kaeri.re.kr/cgi-bin/decay?U-238 A

it says that 79% of the time U-238 goes to the ground state of Th-234 emitting a 4.198 MeV alpha ray. But the difference between the ground state of U-238 and Th-234 is more than 4.198 MeV. What happened to the rest of the decay energy? Does it have anything to do with uncertainties? Thanks.
 
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Wikipedia gives the decay energy as 4.270 MeV. Is that any better?
 
Thank you for replying Bill_K.
The website also gives the decay energy as 4.270 MeV. I wanted to know what happened to the remaining 72 keV.
 
The missing 72 keV is the recoil energy carried off by the Th-234 daughter nucleus.
 
Newton's third law of motion, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Momentum must be conserved, so if you take the system, the momentum change from the decay must be 0.
So, when you split a He off a U238, you have the total energy of the mass difference, which must be divided between the He and the Th234 in such a way that the momentum is still 0. So, the He, being 58.5 times lighter, must have much higher velocity imparted, but the Th must also have some.
 
... and the reaction products share the energy in inverse proportion to their masses. Thus the Th-234 gets 4.270 MeV / 58.5 = 73 keV
 
Makes sense. Thank you.

One last thing. For the gamma rays, do the intensities represent the probability of getting that gamma ray energy? They appear to be very low since U-238 does not decay to the ground state of Th-234 ~21% of the time. I would think that Th-234 needs to be in its ground state before it can decay to Pa-234 but I might be wrong.
 
Marioqwe said:
One last thing. For the gamma rays, do the intensities represent the probability of getting that gamma ray energy? They appear to be very low since U-238 does not decay to the ground state of Th-234 ~21% of the time. I would think that Th-234 needs to be in its ground state before it can decay to Pa-234 but I might be wrong.
If one of the components is excited, then that excitation energy is not kinetic at the reaction time, so the actual energy of the decay is used.

Later, the excited state will decay to the ground state, and give off a gamma ray in the process. Just like the alpha decay, momentum must be preserved, so the Gamma ray will have most of the energy, but the nucleus must have exactly the same momentum in the opposite direction as the gamma ray.
 

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