What happens to entanglement inside a polarizer?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of passing polarization-entangled photons through a polarizer, specifically focusing on the implications for entanglement when one photon is subjected to a linear polarizer oriented at 45 degrees or is absorbed by the polarizer. Participants explore the nature of entanglement and measurement in quantum mechanics, considering both theoretical scenarios and the resulting states of the photons.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that after the first photon passes through a 45-degree polarizer, it has a 50% probability of being measured as horizontally or vertically polarized, while the second photon retains a 100% probability of being horizontally polarized.
  • Others argue whether the entanglement is maintained or broken, questioning if the correlation shifts to the first photon being at 45 degrees and the second at horizontal.
  • A later reply suggests that the initial entangled state is ## \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(\left|H,H\right> + \left|V,V\right>\right) ##, and raises the question of whether the polarizer measurement breaks entanglement.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the exact moment and mechanism by which entanglement is broken, noting that irreversible measurement of the first photon might end entanglement, but the effects on the second photon are less clear.
  • There is discussion about whether both passing through and being absorbed by a polarizer count as measurements that break entanglement, with some asserting that any interaction providing polarization information would suffice to break it.
  • One participant mentions that rewriting the state in the +45/-45 basis could clarify the outcomes of interactions with a 45-degree polarizer.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the interaction with the polarizer leads to a collapse of the wave function to a factorizable state, indicating a loss of entanglement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether entanglement is preserved or broken in the scenarios discussed. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of measurement and its effects on entanglement.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of measurement and entanglement, as well as the unresolved nature of how different interactions with the polarizer affect the entangled state.

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Suppose you prepare two polarization-entangled horizontally polarized photons.

Scenario 1:

After the first photon passes through a linear polarizer oriented at 45 degrees, it will have later a 50% probability of being measured as horizontally polarized and 50% as vertically polarized. The second photon will retain the 100% probability of being measured as horizontally polarized.

What happens to entanglement in this case?

Are the two photons still entangled, but the correlation is now between the first photon having the 45-degree polarization and the second photon having the horizontal polarization? Would such a state be described as ## \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(\left|H,H\right> + \left|V,H\right>\right) ##?

Or, did the 45-degree polarizer break the initial entanglement by measurement of the first photon's polarization?

Scenario 2:

Suppose the first photon does not pass through a linear polarizer oriented at 45 degrees, but is absorbed by the polarizer instead (which can happen with a 50% chance for LHP). What happens to entanglement? Was the entanglement between the two photons simply destroyed as the first photons was absorbed? Or, is the second photon now entangled with the polarizer? Or... something else?
 
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boxfullofvacuumtubes said:
1. Suppose you prepare two polarization-entangled horizontally polarized photons.

2. Suppose the first photon does not pass through a linear polarizer oriented at 45 degrees, but is absorbed by the polarizer instead (which can happen with a 50% chance for LHP). What happens to entanglement? Was the entanglement between the two photons simply destroyed as the first photons was absorbed? Or, is the second photon now entangled with the polarizer? Or... something else?

1. If they are horizontally polarized, they cannot also be polarization entangled. That is a contradiction.

2. Precisely when (and how) entanglement is broken is unknown. Although entanglement might be presumed to end upon irreversible measurement of the first photon, there is nothing obvious that occurs to the second that can be observed in isolation. When certain correlations between the two are calculated, then the entangled state statistics will be seen.
 
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DrChinese said:
1. If they are horizontally polarized, they cannot also be polarization entangled.

My bad. It should have read: Suppose the polarization-entangled photons are initially in a state ## \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(\left|H,H\right> + \left|V,V\right>\right) ##, and the first photon passes through a linear polarizer oriented at 45 degrees. Did the 45-degree polarizer break the initial entanglement by measuring the first photon's polarization? If we measure the H/V polarization of both photons afterwards, there is no correlation, right?

What I'm trying to wrap my head around in the case of scenarios #1 and #2 is: We can no longer detect entanglement of the two photons by measuring their H/V polarizations. But is the mechanism the same? Do both passing through a 45-degree polarizer and being absorbed by a 45-degree polarizer count as a measurement of polarization? Is there anything fundamentally different about how entanglement becomes broken in these cases?
 
boxfullofvacuumtubes said:
My bad. It should have read: Suppose the polarization-entangled photons are initially in a state ## \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(\left|H,H\right> + \left|V,V\right>\right) ##, and the first photon passes through a linear polarizer oriented at 45 degrees. Did the 45-degree polarizer break the initial entanglement by measuring the first photon's polarization? If we measure the H/V polarization of both photons afterwards, there is no correlation, right?

What I'm trying to wrap my head around in the case of scenarios #1 and #2 is: We can no longer detect entanglement of the two photons by measuring their H/V polarizations. But is the mechanism the same? Do both passing through a 45-degree polarizer and being absorbed by a 45-degree polarizer count as a measurement of polarization? Is there anything fundamentally different about how entanglement becomes broken in these cases?

Going through a polarizing beam splitter (PBS) would also break the entanglement. Anything that would serve to provide polarization information, in principle, would also do it.

Let's go back to your example. Once the first photon is determined to be polarized at 45 degrees, it is a 100% certainty that the other one is likewise polarized at 45 degrees.
 
boxfullofvacuumtubes said:
My bad. It should have read: Suppose the polarization-entangled photons are initially in a state ## \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(\left|H,H\right> + \left|V,V\right>\right) ##, and the first photon passes through a linear polarizer oriented at 45 degrees. Did the 45-degree polarizer break the initial entanglement by measuring the first photon's polarization?
You've written the state in the H/V basis, which is convenient if this two-photon system is going to interact with a vertically or horizontally oriented polarizer, but not so convenient when it's going to interact with a polarizer at a 45-degree angle. If you rewrite the state using the +45/-45 basis it will be clear what comes out of an interaction with the 45-degree polarizer.
What I'm trying to wrap my head around in the case of scenarios #1 and #2 is: We can no longer detect entanglement of the two photons by measuring their H/V polarizations. But is the mechanism the same? Do both passing through a 45-degree polarizer and being absorbed by a 45-degree polarizer count as a measurement of polarization? Is there anything fundamentally different about how entanglement becomes broken in these cases?
Yes, yes, no. You started with a quantum system in the state ## \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(\left|H,H\right> + \left|V,V\right>\right) ##. It interacted with a polarizer, and however that interaction turns out, the wave function will collapse to a state that is factorizable, not entangled (but don't take my word for this! Write down the post-collapse wave function for both cases, see for yourself).
 

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