What Happens When a Star Exceeds the Chandrasekhar Limit and Forms a Black Hole?

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The discussion revolves around the fate of a star that exceeds the Chandrasekhar limit and the implications for any planets orbiting it. Participants explore the processes involved in stellar evolution, particularly the transition from a white dwarf to a black hole, and the potential effects on nearby life forms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how long it would take for a star to form a black hole if it exceeds the Chandrasekhar limit and whether this process could be accelerated by gaining additional mass.
  • Another participant notes that a star can exceed the Chandrasekhar limit if it has fuel to burn, emphasizing that the limit becomes relevant only when a star runs out of fuel and becomes a white dwarf.
  • It is mentioned that a white dwarf gaining mass from a companion star could lead to a supernova explosion, but the exact details and timing of this process are uncertain.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the conditions under which a white dwarf could collapse into a black hole instead of exploding as a supernova, and whether it can have planets in orbit.
  • Questions are raised about the fate of a planet if its host white dwarf collapses into a black hole and whether a white dwarf could somehow revert to the main sequence after collapsing.
  • Another participant states that a stellar mass black hole would behave gravitationally like the star from which it collapsed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the processes involved in stellar evolution and the implications for orbiting planets, with no consensus reached on the specifics of how a white dwarf might transition to a black hole or the effects on nearby life.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about stellar evolution processes, the dependence on definitions of mass transfer, and the unresolved details of the timing and mechanisms involved in these transitions.

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Ok...
Let's say there is a star with a planet orbiting it which supports life. If, somehow (never mind how), the star within an instant became massive beyond the Chan. Limit...
1) how long would it take to form a black hole (assuming that the mass kept increasing until it reached a black hole state, or, in other words, could this process be accelerated by the addition of more mass?), and
2) how would this affect the life on the planet orbiting the star? (or exactly how would they die and how long would that take?)
thanks for any input.
 
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ThomasFuhlery said:
Ok...
Let's say there is a star with a planet orbiting it which supports life. If, somehow (never mind how), the star within an instant became massive beyond the Chan. Limit...
1) how long would it take to form a black hole (assuming that the mass kept increasing until it reached a black hole state, or, in other words, could this process be accelerated by the addition of more mass?), and
2) how would this affect the life on the planet orbiting the star? (or exactly how would they die and how long would that take?)
thanks for any input.

It's perfectly possible for a star to be more massive than the Chandrasekhar limit if it has fuel to burn. It's only when the star runs out of fuel and becomes a white dwarf that the Chandresaekhar limit becomes important.

The closest scenario to what you describe would be an existing white dwarf star, gaining mass by pulling it off from a companion star. In this situation, when the white dwarf star gains enough mass, it explodes in a supernova (type I, I think). I'm not sure of the exact details of the process or how long it takes - white dwarfs are pretty small, so it probably happens fairly quickly.

Anyone on a nearby planet will be thouroughly fried.
 
Ok...so what about black holes?

Ok, so...
If there is a star that runs out of the fuel it takes to remain stable, then depending on its mass it will either supernova, collapse into a white dwarf, or collapse into a black hole, correct? So a white dwarf is a star that has run out of fuel, collapsed, but not violently enough (because it didn't have enough mass/crushing power) to form a black hole...and then heated up from the collapse to form a semi-stable ultra dense white dwarf. still correct? If so, then I guess what I'm asking is this:

1. If there is an existing white dwarf, can it have planets in orbit of it?

2. If it were to continually gain mass (and thereby use its fuel faster), whether by drawing it from another companion star or whatever else, could it collapse from a white dwarf into a black hole (as opposed to a supernova)?

3. what would happen to a planet in orbit of a white dwarf were it to collapse into a black hole?

4. Is there any concievable way (whether it has been observed or not) for a white dwarf to be forced back onto the main sequence once it has collapsed?

I know this is a lot to answer but I would appreciate anything you could give me. Thanks again!
 
A stellar mass black hole would gravitationally behave just like the star from which it collapsed, gravtationally.
 

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