What happens when Be(OH)2 reacts with acids and alkalies?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the reactions of beryllium hydroxide (Be(OH)2) with acids and alkalies, exploring the resulting compounds and the underlying chemical principles. Participants examine the behavior of Be(OH)2 in various contexts, including its interaction with hydrochloric acid and the formation of beryllates and zincates.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that Be(OH)2 reacts with HCl and water to form Be(OH)4Cl without producing hydrogen gas, raising questions about the reaction mechanism.
  • There is a discussion about the oxidation states involved in the reactions, with some arguing that hydrogen must be oxidized and questioning the role of Be(OH)2 as a reducing agent.
  • Participants note that the formulas of zincates and aluminates are not well defined and depend on the state of the salt (solution vs. dried), which complicates the discussion around these compounds.
  • One participant mentions the concept of water of hydration in relation to metal salts, suggesting that it may play a role in the stability and structure of the compounds formed.
  • Another participant asserts that beryllium can only reach an oxidation state of +4, countering a claim about Be having a +5 oxidation state in Be(OH)4Cl.
  • It is noted that Be(OH)2 behaves like a simple hydroxide when reacting with hydrochloric acid and can produce beryllates when reacting with alkalies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the oxidation states involved in the reactions and the behavior of Be(OH)2, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of compounds and the conditions under which reactions occur, particularly concerning the stability and hydration of the resulting salts.

Vriska
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what just happened? if i did this in water could i do something like Zn + H2O > Zn2+ + 2OH- + H2 so you get ZnOH2 which gets another 2 OH added from NaOH to give Na2Zn(OH)4 nowwww... somehow this is dehydrated twice.. how? why? why is this less stable than the oxide?
 
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Formulas of zincates and aluminates (and some other similar salts) are not well defined and depend on whether we talk about the solution or dried out salt (and how well dried out).
 
Borek said:
Formulas of zincates and aluminates (and some other similar salts) are not well defined and depend on whether we talk about the solution or dried out salt (and how well dried out).

ah so we're alright with the hydroxide? it's not .H2O though which is what id think when we talk about drying.

also : how does Be(OH)2 react with HCl +H2O, it gives Be(OH)4Cl and no hydrogen gas. I'm having trouble understanding what's going on here
 
Vriska said:
how does Be(OH)2 react with HCl +H2O, it gives Be(OH)4Cl and no hydrogen gas. I'm having trouble understanding what's going on here

If hydrogen is deoxidized (from oxidation state +1 to ±0) something else must be oxidized. In case of your first example it is Zn (from ±0 to +2) but Be(OH)2 is no reducting agent.
 
You may also see the so-called water of hydration or water of crystallization - what borek mentioned above. When salts crystallize they may retain "extra" water inside the crystal. When I learned this many years ago, water of hydration was defined as water found inside the crystalline framework of a metal salt, which is not directly bonded to the metal cation. You will see it written like this ##ZnCl_2 \cdot 4H_2O##

Edit: see - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_of_crystallization
 
DrStupid said:
If hydrogen is deoxidized (from oxidation state +1 to ±0) something else must be oxidized. In case of your first example it is Zn (from ±0 to +2) but Be(OH)2 is no reducting agent.

but in BeOH4Cl Be has oxidation number as +5?
 
No, Be has no +5 ON, never. Even fully ionized it can be +4 at most (compare its atomic number).

Be(OH)2 reacting with hydrochloric acid behaves like a simple hydroxide.

When reacting with alkalies it can produce beryllates, similar (when it comes to problems with the formula) to zincates and alluminates mentioned earlier. Other than that there is nothing unusual with these compounds, Be is always +2 in them.
 
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