What Happens When We Apply a 10V Source to a Diode in Reverse Bias?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a diode when a 10V source is applied in reverse bias. Participants explore the concepts of depletion region width, electron flow, and the effects of applied voltage on semiconductor behavior, focusing on both forward and reverse bias conditions.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the flow of electrons in a diode under forward bias and question why electrons do not flow from the p-type to the n-type region in reverse bias despite a strong electric field.
  • Others clarify that the p-type region lacks free electrons, which contributes to the behavior of the diode in reverse bias.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of charge in the p-type region, with some participants asserting that it is charge neutral while others point out the presence of bound electrons.
  • Some participants express confusion about the relationship between applied voltage, bond energy, and the behavior of the depletion region in both forward and reverse bias conditions.
  • There are claims that applying a forward voltage of 10V is not feasible due to the exponential increase in current, which typically saturates around 0.7V.
  • One participant questions the implications of applying a higher voltage on the depletion region and the breakdown voltage of the diode.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of views regarding the behavior of the diode under different bias conditions, with no consensus reached on the implications of applying a 10V source in reverse bias or the relationship between forward bias and depletion region width.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of terms like "free electrons" and "bound electrons," and there are unresolved questions about the effects of high voltage on semiconductor behavior and the conditions under which breakdown occurs.

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Assume we have a diode . We connenct the negative terminal of the battery(anode) to the n type region and we connect the positive terminal of the battery to the p type region of the battery.The net force forces electrons to start flowing from the n type region to the p type region.As long as we increase voltage,we increase the propability of a bond to be broken(Si-B-) so the depletion region gets narrower.Once we reach 0.7V the depletion region gets so tiny that we assume it doesn't exist.Now if we connect the diode to a different way (reverse bias) electron flow until the depletion region will get wide enough so that it would oppose the external voltage(Battery).Since now the electric field is very big why don't the electrons flow from the p type to thw n type to reduce the electric potential?I know that during reverse bias condition there is a reduce in chemical potential , but in zero bias condition the chemical and the electric potential reach equillibrium at 0.7V so breakdown voltages 10V can't be explained . Help appreciated.
 
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P type semiconductors conduct by moving electron holes. But there are no holes available from the depletion region. Similarly, the n type semiconductor moves electrons - but there will be no electrons available on the n side of the depletion region.
 
Moving electron holes are basically electrons moving at the opposite direction and what this has to do with my issue?1
 
CaptainMarvel1899 said:
...Since now the electric field is very big why don't the electrons flow from the p type to thw n type to reduce the electric potential?..

The reason is that there are essentially no electrons in the p type region. The few electrons that are generated by thermal processes do flow into the n-type region. This is why diodes have a small reverse current.
 
phyzguy said:
The reason is that there are essentially no electrons in the p type region. The few electrons that are generated by thermal processes do flow into the n-type region. This is why diodes have a small reverse current.
If there are no electrons in the p type region how is it negatively charged?
 
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CaptainMarvel1899 said:
If there are no electrons in the p type region how is it negatively charged?

To be clearer, I should have said there are no free electrons in the p region. There are of course bound electrons at each of the lattice atoms, but these are not free to move. To answer your question, the p region is not negatively charged, it is charge neutral. If you mean in the depletion region on the p-side, it is negatively charged because holes have moved out of the region, exposing the negative lattice charge. You can also look at this as extra electrons have moved into the depletion region to fill the hole sites, but again, these extra electrons are bound and are not free to move. The depletion regions on both sides contain no free charge carriers (they are depleted of free carriers).
 
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If we offer more energy than the bond energy , the bonds will be broken and electrons will start moving . That is my question.The net potential must be more than the bond energy(because the diode reaches equillibrium in reverse bias at 0.7V).What am I missing?
 
CaptainMarvel1899 said:
If we offer more energy than the bond energy , the bonds will be broken and electrons will start moving . That is my question.The net potential must be more than the bond energy(because the diode reaches equillibrium in reverse bias at 0.7V).What am I missing?
I'm not sure what your question is. The free electrons will move with a small applied bias. But there are no free electrons in the charge neutral p-type region, and no free carriers of either type in the depletion regions.

The bound electrons will not move until the applied voltage is very large. At this point the semiconductor breaks down and is typically destroyed.
 
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phyzguy said:
I'm not sure what your question is. The free electrons will move with a small applied bias. But there are no free electrons in the charge neutral p-type region, and no free carriers of either type in the depletion regions.

The bound electrons will not move until the applied voltage is very large. At this point the semiconductor breaks down and is typically destroyed.
I am asking how the depletion region in a forward bias mode is tiny when thw breakdown voltage is 10V for example?
 
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CaptainMarvel1899 said:
I am asking how the depletion region in a forward bias mode is tiny when thw breakdown voltage is 10V for example?

Again, I don't understand your question. The depletion region at zero bias has a certain width, depending on the doping densities of the two sides. In forward bias, the depletion region shrinks. What does this have to do with the breakdown voltage? The breakdown voltage refers to reverse bias.

Note there is also a certain built-in field across the depletion region at zero bias. Forward biasing the diode reduces this field, it doesn't increase it. Is this what you are missing?
 
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If the electrons have a small propability of not being in the conduction band at 0.7V , then imagine what would be at 10V
 
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CaptainMarvel1899 said:
If the electrons have a small propability of not being in the conduction band at 0.7V , then imagine what would be at 10V
I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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phyzguy said:
I have no idea what you're talking about.
When we apply a forward voltage of 0.7V the depletion region becomes very narrow so the electrons have a big propability to be in the conduction band . Imagine what would happen with 10 volts.
 
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CaptainMarvel1899 said:
When we apply a forward voltage of 0.7V the depletion region becomes very narrow so the electrons have a big propability to be in the conduction band . Imagine what would happen with 10 volts.

Maybe I see what you are asking. It is impossible to apply 10 volts of forward bias to a diode. Since the diode current increases as I=I_0 e^{\frac{q V}{kT}}, you cannot apply more than ~0.7 volts of forward bias before the current becomes very large. Any remaining applied voltage gets dropped in resistances leading up to the diode. Is this your question? Maybe you need to read more about semiconductor physics. Do you have a textbook you are studying?
 
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It is kind of the opposite.I know the voltage drop of the depletion regiin can be max 0.7V.If the energy whixh breaks the B- Si bonds is given by a 0.7V source then what would happen if we replaced it with a 10V source?
 

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