What helped you fully appreciate certain music?

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The discussion revolves around how understanding the context, lyrics, and background of songs and artists can enhance appreciation for music. Participants share personal experiences and insights related to specific songs, artists, and the impact of lyrical meaning on their enjoyment of music.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses that understanding the emotional depth of Eric Clapton's "Layla" through a personal letter transformed their appreciation for the song.
  • Another participant argues that a successful song should resonate on a musical level without relying heavily on lyrics, suggesting that the emotional impact should be inherent in the music itself.
  • A different participant shares a contrasting view, emphasizing that artists often create from a place of personal expression, and the emotional connection may not always be evident without understanding the context.
  • One participant mentions being scarred by discovering the true meaning of "Puff the Magic Dragon," indicating that deeper meanings can significantly alter perceptions of songs.
  • A participant references Peter Green's "Long Grey Mare" to illustrate that the intent of the artist may not always align with audience interpretations, suggesting a complex relationship between performance and meaning.
  • Another participant discusses reading Keith Richards' book, which has helped them appreciate the Rolling Stones' music more deeply by understanding the inspirations and technical aspects behind the songs.
  • One participant corrects a previous claim by noting that Clapton's letter was actually addressed to Pattie Boyd, highlighting the personal connections behind the music.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the importance of lyrics versus music in a song's success, with some emphasizing the need for emotional resonance in the music itself, while others prioritize the artist's intent and personal expression. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on how to appreciate music.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' claims depend on subjective interpretations of music and lyrics, and there is a lack of consensus on what constitutes a "successful" song. The discussion also touches on personal experiences that may not universally apply.

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Sometimes songs and artists just become much more special when you understand what the artist is truly singing about. What information or experience has helped you to fully appreciate certain music?

I'll give you an example: I never cared for Eric Clapton. That is, until today, when I came across a 'love letter' he wrote to a woman named Layla:

Eric Clapton said:
Dear Layla,
For nothing more than the pleasures past, I would sacrifice my family, my god, and my own existence, and still you will not move. I am at the end of my mind, I cannot go back and there is nothing in tomorrow (save you) that can attract me beyond today. I have listened to the wind, I have watched the dark brooding clouds, I have felt the Earth beneath me for a sign, a gesture, but there is only silence. Why do you hesitate, am I a poor lover, am I ugly, am I too weak, too strong, do you know why? If you want me, take me, I am yours...If you don't want me, please break the spell that binds me. "To cage a wild animal is a sin, to tame him is divine." My love is yours.

Reading this, it really hit me just how terrible I am at expressing my feelings compared to him, and how deep his love really was. I listened to the song "Layla" and I can just feel the passion in the melody and lyrics. Before today, I would have thought it was just an average old song.

Sorry for the wall of text, please post your examples and experiences!
 
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I think the fact you didn't notice the song till you read the lyrics pegs it as an unsuccessful song. A successful song ought to work without the lyrics on some important level. It should be music first and foremost.

In a similar vein, I notice that I like certain music videos while not liking the songs in particular. The visuals; the editing/montage, choreography and cinematography, can make a fairly dull song into something that seems a lot better than it actually is.
 
KingNothing said:
Sometimes songs and artists just become much more special when you understand what the artist is truly singing about.

When I discovered the true meaning of Puff the Magic Dragon, I was scarred for life!
 
zoobyshoe said:
I think the fact you didn't notice the song till you read the lyrics pegs it as an unsuccessful song. A successful song ought to work without the lyrics on some important level. It should be music first and foremost.

I hear you, but I think a lot of artists (music/painting/etc) do their artworks from the soul and if people like it, great. For a lot of them expressing themselves comes first (which is what sets a lot of them apart).
 
It matters more to an artist to get the performance and expression out there. (As a musician, I feel OK about stating this so plainly.) If the populace wants to read more into your performances than you intended, you can just let the speculation steep or you can use the opportunity to set things straight.

Need an example? How about Peter Green's (Fleetwood Mac) song Long Grey Mare? I've got a Long Grey Mare, but she won't let me ride...

 
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KingNothing said:
I hear you, but I think a lot of artists (music/painting/etc) do their artworks from the soul and if people like it, great. For a lot of them expressing themselves comes first (which is what sets a lot of them apart).
What I'm saying is that he probably didn't express himself "from the soul" if the music isn't as moving by itself as the music + lyrics. If the melody supported the emotion the melody itself ought to be passionate, haunting, whatever. As it is, he wrote a passionate poem, but the music he set it to doesn't, itself, stir that same passion.

Compare "Layla" to "Oh Darling" by the Beatles, for example. Similar message.
 
Hi. The letter, and the song, are written for a woman called Pattie Boyd. She was the wife of G. Harrison. Clapton was in love with her.
Sorry if my english is bad, I'm mexican.
 
I'm reading the book Life by Keith Richards right now. He explains a lot the inspirations for the songs sung by the Rolling Stones. So I guess in a way I am able to better appreciate the music. He also goes into the Chicago blues influence which I am able to discern now in their work. He also goes into the chords in depth and explains the open tuning of a six string guitar to a 5 string. I now have a deeper respect for the accomplished guitar player!
 

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