What if the Higgs is not discovered?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of not discovering the Higgs boson with current particle accelerators, exploring the value of fundamental physics research and its perceived benefits to society. Participants reflect on the costs associated with such research and the public's perception of its worth.

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  • Some participants suggest that failing to discover the Higgs could still be an important finding, questioning whether the public would view the investment in research as justified.
  • Others express skepticism about the public's perception of the value of discovering the Higgs boson, indicating a lack of appreciation for the funding of such experiments.
  • One participant argues that significant advancements in physics have emerged from particle accelerators, including the potential for future discoveries, despite current challenges in finding the Higgs.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of basic physics research for technological advancements, citing examples like transistors and medical imaging technologies, while acknowledging the long-term nature of such investments.
  • A contrasting viewpoint humorously suggests a preference for a simpler lifestyle, questioning the necessity of modern technology and the motivations behind funding scientific research.

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Participants express a range of views on the value of fundamental physics research and the public's perception of it. There is no consensus on whether the potential lack of discovery of the Higgs boson would be seen as a significant outcome or whether the costs of such research are justified.

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Participants highlight the uncertainty surrounding the public's understanding of the benefits of fundamental research and the long-term nature of its impacts. The discussion reflects differing attitudes toward technology and its role in society.

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If the Higgs is not discovered with the present generation of machines then would that really be an important discovery in its own right and could the tax paying public be convinced that their money had been well spent?
 
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I'm not convinced the tax paying public sees actually discovering it as money well spent in the first place.
 
One has to admit that a lot of good physics has come out of the accelerators that we build. Higgs was indeed amongst other things the primary objective, SUSY is also not looking too well at Lepton-Photon 2011. Now as it has been stated before, people never see paying money to do physics experiments with good eyes, however, it seems that the money was well spend. But with all that said, there's still some chance that it'll show up.
 
Without basic physics research we wouldn't have transistors, computers, internet, radio TV
One couldn't get a scan in a hospital, or an Xray
So fundamentals of physics are good, basic research is required to develop new technology
The LHC has costed us lots of money; and it might take 50 years or more to see its fruits
But meanwhile even by building it we improved our understanding of physics


is it worth it ?

No we never needed computers internet mobile phones, GPS windmills solarpower etc.
i prefer a cavemen lifestyle, and be close to nature
And have a throw-able tablet, (a stone) for killing animals.

where did it go wrong ?

i guess some people needed to invent fire for a smoke or cooking.


Can we go back ?

Sure find my cave.

Should we stop at some point ?

Yes my cave really is enough once you get used to birds instead of ringtones.

Is it like a religion asking for funding and giving a believe ?

Yes if you think we and our inventions of cellphones etc do really matter in the universe.
I try to keep my universe at the size of my cave and we simply scream instead of dial.
Oh an just for the record from ALL Earth's species only we think we need to dial daily or need to be online.
But its really no requirement for life, and i even doubt it makes sense.
All those other animals might have been right all the time.
As monkeys we must be quite amusing to them.


Oh well let's go back to my cave :smile:
 

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