What iron-salts will dissolve in water?

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The discussion centers around the solubility of iron salts in water, particularly in the context of bacterial biodegradation of organic waste. Participants explore the challenges of incorporating iron into growth media for bacteria and the implications for biodegradation processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Ferrous Sulfate (FeSO4) precipitates in solution, leading to cloudy formations and suggests exploring other iron salts that might dissolve better.
  • Another participant raises the importance of the physical state of the organic waste, suggesting that increasing the surface area by dispersing the waste could enhance bacterial degradation.
  • It is mentioned that Ferric Chloride has been used successfully in bacterial growth media without solubility issues, contrasting with the participant's experience with Ferrous Sulfate.
  • One participant emphasizes that ferrous iron oxidizes to ferric iron quickly near neutral pH, and mentions using FeSO4NH4 + Citrate as a supplement to maintain iron in solution.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential depletion of other nutrients in the media due to the solid waste, questioning its carbon content and overall composition.
  • There is a suggestion that co-metabolizing an emulsified fat or oil could enhance the biodegradation of recalcitrant hydrocarbons, although this may complicate the experimental setup.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of various iron salts and their solubility in water. There is no consensus on the best approach to incorporate iron into the media or the implications of the organic waste's composition on bacterial growth.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on pH and the physical state of the organic waste, as well as the potential for nutrient depletion, which may affect the outcomes of the experiments.

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So I've been doing biochem research on bacterial biodegradation of exotic organic compounds. Based on a lot of research I've done, a lot of biodegradation pathways involve step-by-step mono-oxygenation reactions catalyzed by Cytochrome P450 enzymes (which contain a ferrous heme group) and redox partners (usually iron-sulfur proteins).

I've been incubating bacteria in liquid media with samples of solid organic waste generated by our university's undergraduate organic chemistry lab as a sole carbon source, but there was no degradation. Then I looked at the chemical profiles of the media I was using and found there was no iron in them.

I tried adding tiny amounts of Ferrous Sulfate (FeSO4) to the liquid solution but it quickly precipitates; even a few sand-sized grains per mL and these white cloudy chunks forms and it looks like tiny specs of rusty iron fall to the bottom. I tried adjusting the pH of the solution to prevent precipitation but it didn't work.

Is anyone aware either of an iron-salt that will dissolve in water? And if not, how can I get ferrous sulfate to evenly dissolve in water without clouding or precipitation?
 
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So, there are two things one should consider up front.

If the organic waste you're trying to degrade is truly solid and not porous, you might be dealing with a matter of kinetics. The bacteria can - presumably - only eat away at what is presented at the surface. If you were to disperse the solid waste, you'd increase the surface area accessible to the bacteria and their enzymological assault.

The organic waste is stated to be solid. How certain are you that it is not mixing into some extent? This can non-trivially change the composition of the liquid media. I know something like ferric chloride can tolerate some polar organic solvents pretty well, but I doubt it does as well with non-polar organics. If you feel the need to supplement with iron, I would add it before adding the organic waste so the bacteria have time to take it up. Personally, when I prepare defined bacterial growth media, I use ferric chloride - no problems with solubility in water in my experience growing cells in this manner for over a decade now.
 
Ferrous iron will very quickly oxidize to Ferric near neutral pH. I've seen papers using Ferric Chloride and I have used FeSO4NH4 + Citrate when supplementing minimal media with Iron.
 
Yanick said:
Ferrous iron will very quickly oxidize to Ferric near neutral pH. I've seen papers using Ferric Chloride and I have used FeSO4NH4 + Citrate when supplementing minimal media with Iron.
In this media one is using the citrate as a complexing agent that keeps the Fe in solution and doesn't cause the required phosphate nutrient to precipitate out insoluble iron phosphates.

The solid waste may be depleting other nutrients than iron from your media.

Have you some idea of the possible composition of the waste? Are you confident it has the carbon content to sustain growth?

Some bio-remediations of recalcitrant hydrocarbons (aerobic) benefit by co-metabolizing an emulsified fat or oil (it allows induction of enzymes needed to attack the C-H and C-C bonds). It would make your experiment harder to blank and you may have to devise a way to collect all of the CO2 evolved (i.e BOD setups and titration of the CO2).
 

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