What is a Probabilty Density Function?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of probability density functions (PDFs) for continuous random variables, exploring their definitions, implications, and analogies to physical mass density functions. Participants examine the nature of probabilities in continuous distributions and the mathematical properties of PDFs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a probability density function can have values that are all zero while still allowing for integration, highlighting a perceived contradiction in the definition of density functions.
  • Another participant draws an analogy between probability density functions and mass density functions, suggesting that both can have values at points without implying that there is a measurable quantity at those points.
  • A different participant asserts that a probability density function is the derivative of a cumulative distribution function, specifically for absolutely continuous functions.
  • Some participants clarify that the values of a PDF do not need to be zero, emphasizing that the PDF represents a density rather than a direct probability of a specific outcome.
  • There is a discussion about how to derive the probability density at a point using limits, comparing it to calculating mass density in physical objects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of probability density functions, with some emphasizing the mathematical properties and others questioning the implications of having zero probabilities at specific points. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the foundational understanding of PDFs.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the definitions and mathematical properties of PDFs and cumulative distribution functions, but there are unresolved assumptions about the nature of continuous distributions and the interpretation of density values.

Mr Davis 97
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What really is a probability density function for continuous random variables? I know that the probability for a single value occurring in a continuous probability distribution is so infinitesimal that it is considered 0, which is why we use the cumulative distribution function that is the the integral of the PDF from -∞ to some number x. However, if any single value in the PDF is 0, then how to we get a density curve and how are we able to integrate the PDF if all of its values (probabilities) are zero?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
if all of its values (probabilities) are zero?
Why do you think this is possible?

Hint: write down the definition of density function. It contradicts the part I quoted. Where?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
What really is a probability density function for continuous random variables?

You can equally well ask: what is a mass density function for physical object? For example if a rod lying along the x-axis has a variable mass density, we can give it a mass density function that is a function of x. There is a mass density "at point x", but the mass "at point x" is zero. A probability mass density function is no more and no less mysterious than a physical mass density function.

It is not physically possible to "take a point" from the rod and put it in a sample dish. It's also not physically possible to take a random sample from a continuous probability distribution.
 
In simplest terms, a probability density function is the derivative of a (nice) probability distribution function.

Specifically, "nice" functions are absolutely continuous.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
. However, if any single value in the PDF is 0,

To repeat pwnsnafu's comment. the values of a PDF f(x) need not be zero. You are saying "any single value in the PDF" when you mean "the probability of a single value of x computed by using the PDF". If f(x) is a probability density then f(x) is not equal to "the probability that the outcome is x". Instead, f(x) is equal to the probability density at x.

By analogy, the density of an object can be 1 gram per cubic centimeter at a point (x,y,z) without claiming that there is any mass "at" the point (x,y,z).

then how to we get a density curve

How do you get a mass density function if the mass of each point is zero? You take a limit of the mass per unit volume of sequence of volumes that shrink around the point. The probability density at x can be found by taking the limit of ( the probability of the event [x, x+ h]) / h as h approaches zero. This amounts to taking the derivative of the cumulative distribution and evaluating the derivative at x.

and how are we able to integrate the PDF if all of its values (probabilities) are zero?

As noted, above, the values of a PDF are not all zero.
 

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