What is a singlet under SU(3)?

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The discussion centers around the concept of a singlet under the SU(3) group, exploring its properties and representations. Participants also delve into the implications of SU(3) x SU(3) and the decomposition of tensor products of representations, particularly focusing on the expression 3 x 3 = 8 + 1 and the calculation of 3 x 3 x 3.

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  • Some participants define a singlet under SU(3) as a state with zero eigenvalue under the Casimir operators, indicating it is a one-dimensional representation.
  • There is a discussion about the direct product SU(3) x SU(3) and its implications for states being in representations of both groups.
  • One participant explains the decomposition of the representation 3 x 3 into a direct sum of the singlet (1) and octet (8) representations.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about how the decomposition into 1 + 8 is determined and seeks clarification on calculating 3 x 3 x 3.
  • A suggestion is made to use Young tableaux for computing products of irreducible representations, which are described as a pictorial method for tracking symmetries.
  • Further calculations are presented regarding the product of representations, leading to the conclusion that 3 x 3 x 3 results in 1 + 8 + 8 + 10.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions and properties of singlets and representations, but there is ongoing confusion and inquiry regarding the specific calculations and decompositions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved in certain aspects.

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The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps regarding the decomposition of tensor products and the application of Young tableaux, which may depend on specific definitions and assumptions about representations.

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what is a singlet under SU(3)?
 
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and what is SU(3)xSU(3)?
What do we mean by 3 x 3(bar) = 8 + 1?
 


A singlet of any algebra is the state that has zero eigenvalue under the Casimir operators. These are the generators of the center of the algebra and are simultaneously diagonalizable. The singlet state is a one-dimensional representation. For instance, for SU(2), the singlet state satisfies

\vec{S}^2 |0\rangle = 0,

i.e., it is the s=0 state. It satisfies

S_{\pm} |0\rangle = 0

as well, so there are no other states in this representation.

SU(3)\times SU(3) refers to a direct product of two SU(3) groups. States or particles will simultaneously be in some representation of both groups.

\mathbf{3} \otimes \bar{\mathbf{3}} = \mathbf{1} \oplus \mathbf{8} refers to a direct product of the \mathbf{3} representation with the \bar{\mathbf{3}}. The resulting representation is what's known as reducible and can be written as a direct sum of the singlet \mathbf{1} and octet \mathbf{8} representations.

This relationship is analogous to the way we decompose two-particle spin states in QM. There, for SU(2), the decomposition of specific product states into states of irreducible representations is summed up by the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients.
 


Okay, that explains a singlet. Thanks.
But what I still can't get is how we know that it is 1 + 8. For example i need to find what 3 x 3 x 3 is. How can I do that?
 


jinbaw said:
Okay, that explains a singlet. Thanks.
But what I still can't get is how we know that it is 1 + 8. For example i need to find what 3 x 3 x 3 is. How can I do that?

You might want to look up Young tableaux, which are very useful for computing products of irreps for unitary groups. They are a pictorial way of keeping track of the symmetries of irreducible tensor representations. Alternatively, there are various places to find tables of products.

In your case, we should first compute \mathbf{3}\otimes\mathbf{3}. Thinking of the fundamental irrep \mathbf{3} like a vector, this product is a rank 2 tensor. There is an antisymmetric product which is the \bar{\mathbf{3}} and the symmetric product which is the \mathbf{6}. So we have

\mathbf{3}\otimes\mathbf{3} = \bar{\mathbf{3}}\oplus \mathbf{6}.

Now we already know that \mathbf{3} \otimes \bar{\mathbf{3}} = \mathbf{1} \oplus \mathbf{8}, so it remains to compute \mathbf{3} \otimes \mathbf{6}. We can either antisymmetrize the new index with the indices on the symmetric tensor, which gives us the \mathbf{8}, or we can totally symmetrize the rank 3 tensor, which gives us the \mathbf{10}. Therefore

\mathbf{3} \otimes \mathbf{6} = \mathbf{8}\oplus \mathbf{10}.

Putting it all together, we have

\mathbf{3}\otimes\mathbf{3}\otimes\mathbf{3} = \mathbf{1} \oplus \mathbf{8}\oplus\mathbf{8}\oplus \mathbf{10}.

As a sanity check, you can compare the total dimensions of the representations on both sides.
 

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