What is Causing the Mysterious Super-Charged Particles in Italy?

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The discussion revolves around the mysterious occurrence of super-charged particles in Italy, which has reportedly led to unusual phenomena such as devices and wires bursting into flames. Participants explore various theories regarding the source and implications of these particles, considering both solar activity and geological factors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that unusual solar activity may have contributed to an influx of super-charged particles reaching the Earth, potentially affecting the local environment in Sicily.
  • One participant proposes that the Earth's magnetic field could guide these particles into the core, leading to unstable charges that might manifest in unusual ways.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the specific nature of the incidents, noting that individual devices seem to be affected rather than widespread systems, which complicates the charged particle theory.
  • A scientist from the Protezione Civile is mentioned as having a similar hypothesis regarding charged particles leaking from the Earth, but this does not clarify how they could ignite fires.
  • There is speculation that electrical devices may accumulate these super-charges when plugged in, leading to reactions when they are activated.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the validity of the super-charged particles theory, questioning its relevance to the observed phenomena.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the cause of the phenomena. Multiple competing theories are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the mechanisms at play.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the nature of the charged particles and their interactions with devices remain unclear. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions of terms like "super-charged particles" and the lack of empirical evidence to support the various claims.

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A very strange situation?

Normally I keep all of this stuff in the S&D Forum but we seem to have an ongoing and genuine mystery in Italy that reportedly has many experts stumped. Since this story has maintained its status as a credible one for some time now I thought that some of you non-S&D types might be interested. :biggrin: Please see the following thread.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=16494

I am posting this as an unusual science news story [potentially anyway]. Please ignore any paranormal gibberish.

Near the bottom of the thread, the second one on this subject incidently, you will find the latest news link provided by Zoobyshoe.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=487377§ion=news

Here is the original thread about this which began on Feb 11th, 04.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=14304

Note: If Integral, Doc or Chroot happen by, please fix the spelling on this thread's title. I really can spell situation. :rolleyes:
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Normally I keep all of this stuff in the S&D Forum but we seem to have an ongoing and genuine mystery in Italy that reportedly has many experts stumped. Since this story has maintained its status as a credible one for some time now I thought that some of you might be interested. Please see the following thread.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=16494

I am posting this as an unusual science news story [potentially anyway]. Please ignore any paranormal gibberish.

Near the bottom of the thread, the second one on this subject incidently, you will find the latest news link provided by Zoobyshoe.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=487377§ion=news

Here is the original thread about this which began on Feb 11th, 04.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=14304

Note: If Integral, Doc or Chroot happen by, please fix the spelling on this thread's title. I really can spell situation. :rolleyes:


Without going into the whole thread, I am going to make a calculated guess here based on Extra-Solar-Activity (just made that word up to give it and edge!)

The Unusual Solar activity from late last year (you can provide the links Ivan if you don't mind you had some really neat ones showing the activity?) placed an excess amount of Super-Charged Particles onto the Earth from the Sun. The Earths Magnetic field has guided the Super Particles deep into the Earths Core, building up some pretty unstable Charge's.

Sicily being where it is, and with an 'open' canopy to the surface via the Volcano, would experience the Particles coming to ground 'Earthing', but from below the Surface (not from the usual above ground direction) and via the Lava reservoirs underground.

A number of other factors have to be considered also, but this is the crux of what is happening there.

You heard it here first, and you can quote me on it anytime :rolleyes:

Actually you can give PF the credit, why not e-mail the mayor of the town and tell them this is the cause-effect?..great publicity for Gregs site?

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The thing that really perplexes me is that individual devices and wires allegely burst into flames but no reports of widespread simultaneous effects are mentioned...as if specific devices are somehow targeted. I was thinking that this must be induced in the power lines feeding the area somehow, but according to the reports this does not seem likely. I also assumed for a long time that these reports must be flawed but similar accounts are still coming.
 
Ranyart,

A scientist from the Protezione Civile proposed something much like your suggestion: that there was an excess of charged paticles leaking out of the Earth at this village, but this wouldn't explain how these charged particles are starting the fires. I don't see any obvious solution in the charged particle theory.

You may want to read the original thread where we hashed out a bunch of ideas.
 
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Ranyart,

A scientist from the Protezione Civile proposed something much like your suggestion: that there was an excess of charged paticles leaking out of the Earth at this village, but this wouldn't explain how these charged particles are starting the fires. I don't see any obvious solution in the charged particle theory.

You may want to read the original thread where we hashed out a bunch of ideas.

Many thanks to both of you. I will have more time to go through the whole threads and get a better picture. Before I went off to sleep last night, Iwas thinking back to the recent Sunspot activity, all the auroror's around the Earth, there would be a lot of Electrical items that are plugged into their sockets, even though they are not used regularly, soaking up these 'Pent-up-Charges'.

If the above is close to what is currently happenning, then some Electrical items would be collecting the Super-charges, they would act as drain off points. Then when someone actually switches the item on to use it they would be accelerated around circuits etc..

After use, the Super-Charges 'exotic' particles would react within certain areas of material componants, causing chemical reactions in some locations, especially where finite elements are concerned, magnesium components for instance?
 
Super-Charged Super Particles building up on the Earth? Come on Ivan, you know this doesn't belong here.

- Warren