What Is Circular Reasoning and Why Is It Problematic?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of circular reasoning, with participants seeking clarification and examples. The context includes philosophical implications and definitions, as well as connections to physics, particularly regarding wave equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants request examples of circular reasoning, specifically questioning the statement "Wave is something satisfying wave equations" and its circularity.
  • One participant suggests that the circularity of definitions can be illustrated by the companion definition "A wave equation is something that describes a wave," indicating a potential for a longer chain of definitions to form a circle.
  • Another participant argues that the quoted statement may be more akin to a tautology rather than circular reasoning, asserting that it is incorrect.
  • A different viewpoint highlights that circular reasoning limits the ability to incorporate statements into a broader theoretical framework, suggesting that such statements can only be consistent with each other.
  • One participant introduces the idea that circularity can be treated as axiomatic, allowing for a larger body of implications to be considered true once accepted.
  • Another participant defines circular reasoning as a form of reasoning where the conclusion is presupposed within the reasoning itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of circular reasoning, with no consensus on the definition or examples provided. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of the statements discussed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about definitions and the nature of reasoning, which remain unresolved. The relationship between circular reasoning and tautology is also not fully clarified.

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I still don't understand circular reasoning. Can you guys give me some example?
From Physics section:"Wave is something satisfying wave equations". I don't know why this sentence is "circular".
Thanks:smile::cool::wink:
 
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kntsy said:
I still don't understand circular reasoning. Can you guys give me some example?
From Physics section:"Wave is something satisfying wave equations". I don't know why this sentence is "circular".
Thanks:smile::cool::wink:

It's circular if the companion definition is "A wave equation is something that describes a wave." That's easy. But a longer chain of apparently 'linear' definitions can in fact be a circle. There's a theory that all definitions in a natural language are circular. In symbolic logic one can assure the existence of a non circular 'definition' by employing an infinite series of unique symbols based on the natural numbers .
 
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kntsy said:
I still don't understand circular reasoning. Can you guys give me some example?
From Physics section:"Wave is something satisfying wave equations". I don't know why this sentence is "circular".

Hmm... that seems more like a tautology than circular reasoning. Based on what you quoted, I'd say it is wrong.

Circular reasoning is more like this:

We know the bible is the word of god, because the bible says so, and it must be true, because its the word of god.
 
The problem with circular reasoning is that the statements "proved" cannot be incorporated into a larger array of statements which one considers true. If the statements doesn't follow from a more general theory of waves, then we cannot necessarily assume them consistent with this larger theory. They can only be considered as consistent with each other.

The circularity can however be treated as axiomatic in the sense that the theory of waves that follows from the wave equation are supposing that a wave satisfies the wave equation. The circularity can be seen as a ramp; whenever you accept it by "entering the circle", a larger body of implications can be treated as true.
 
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kntsy said:
I still don't understand circular reasoning. Can you guys give me some example?
From Physics section:"Wave is something satisfying wave equations". I don't know why this sentence is "circular".Thanks:smile::cool::wink:

Do you think its more wave-like than circular?
 
Circular reasoning is that you come up with a reasoning that draws a conclusion, but hidden in the reasoning the conclusion was already presupposed.
 

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