What Is Circular Reasoning and Why Is It Problematic?

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Circular reasoning occurs when a definition or argument assumes what it is trying to prove, leading to a lack of independent validation. In the context of the discussion, the phrase "A wave is something satisfying wave equations" is deemed circular if the accompanying definition is "A wave equation is something that describes a wave." This creates a tautological loop where both statements rely on each other without providing external justification. The conversation highlights that while some definitions may appear linear, they can still form a circular chain. An example of circular reasoning is illustrated with a religious text claiming its own truth without external evidence. The discussion also notes that circular reasoning can be treated as axiomatic, allowing for the acceptance of broader implications once the initial circular premise is accepted. Overall, the distinction between circular reasoning and tautology is emphasized, with the former involving presupposed conclusions within the reasoning process.
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I still don't understand circular reasoning. Can you guys give me some example?
From Physics section:"Wave is something satisfying wave equations". I don't know why this sentence is "circular".
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kntsy said:
I still don't understand circular reasoning. Can you guys give me some example?
From Physics section:"Wave is something satisfying wave equations". I don't know why this sentence is "circular".
Thanks:smile::cool::wink:

It's circular if the companion definition is "A wave equation is something that describes a wave." That's easy. But a longer chain of apparently 'linear' definitions can in fact be a circle. There's a theory that all definitions in a natural language are circular. In symbolic logic one can assure the existence of a non circular 'definition' by employing an infinite series of unique symbols based on the natural numbers .
 
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kntsy said:
I still don't understand circular reasoning. Can you guys give me some example?
From Physics section:"Wave is something satisfying wave equations". I don't know why this sentence is "circular".

Hmm... that seems more like a tautology than circular reasoning. Based on what you quoted, I'd say it is wrong.

Circular reasoning is more like this:

We know the bible is the word of god, because the bible says so, and it must be true, because its the word of god.
 
The problem with circular reasoning is that the statements "proved" cannot be incorporated into a larger array of statements which one considers true. If the statements doesn't follow from a more general theory of waves, then we cannot necessarily assume them consistent with this larger theory. They can only be considered as consistent with each other.

The circularity can however be treated as axiomatic in the sense that the theory of waves that follows from the wave equation are supposing that a wave satisfies the wave equation. The circularity can be seen as a ramp; whenever you accept it by "entering the circle", a larger body of implications can be treated as true.
 
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kntsy said:
I still don't understand circular reasoning. Can you guys give me some example?
From Physics section:"Wave is something satisfying wave equations". I don't know why this sentence is "circular".Thanks:smile::cool::wink:

Do you think its more wave-like than circular?
 
Circular reasoning is that you come up with a reasoning that draws a conclusion, but hidden in the reasoning the conclusion was already presupposed.
 
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