What is the proper grammar for my example sentence?

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The discussion centers on the correct pronoun case in the sentence "Jessica thinks I was born for ___________." The consensus is that "her" is the appropriate choice, as it is the objective case, while "she" is subjective and incorrect in this context. The distinction is made that the presence of a linking verb does not affect the pronoun case when the main verb separates the subject from the predicate. Additionally, the conversation highlights common misunderstandings about pronoun usage among English speakers. Ultimately, the correct pronoun in the given sentence is confirmed to be "her."
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timmeister37 said:
As i said upthread, about ten years ago, i researched this issue in depth. I found an excellent grammar textbook at my local public library. The English grammar textbook i found was John E. Warriner's textbook English Grammar and Composition. With Warriner's textbook English Grammar and Composition, the rules for when one must use the subjective case and when one must use the objective case were crystal clear, and it made so much sense! One thing i remember about the rule that Warriner stated was that i had to know whether or not a verb was intransitive verb or a transitive verb to know whether or not i should use the subjective case or the objective case. I am going to either buy Warriner's textbook or get it on interlibrary loan.
My purpose on this thread is to get a deep understanding of the rules as to which pronoun case to use. I will share this information with everyone on the thread who wants to know as soon as i acquire it.

Although i do think that my rule on post #27 is on the right track, I don't think the rule i posted on post #27 is 100% complete to give one the correct pronoun case 100 % of the time.

P.S. no, this is not a homework question. I don't attend any school. I am on OTR truck driver.
hutchphd said:
Again I feel I must be missing what the fuss is about.
The word in question is the object of a preposition. What else is required??
 
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timmeister37 said:
P.S. no, this is not a homework question. I don't attend any school. I am on OTR truck driver.
Thanks for bringing people stuff -- if a person got something it was probably transported by a truck driver -- bless you Sir . . .
 
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The answer to that question is in the last post i made before this one.
 
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Please quote the answer because I cannot find it in your post...we must be miscommunicating
 
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hutchphd said:
Please quote the answer because I cannot find it in your post...we must be miscommunicating
@timmeister37 how does @hutchphd know where you put what? -- or to put it another way -- please don't try too hard to police the thread -- even if it's your thread started by you, if you're not a mentor/moderator here . . .
 
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OCR said:
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Lol, that's some fancy formatting. . . but I've never seen the "# # \cdots # #" used before.

It does seem to work, though. . . . 🤔

View attachment 261449

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We got to love Professor Don Knuth's ##\TeX \cdots##
 
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hutchphd, this is what the fuss is about.
timmeister37 said:
My purpose on this thread is to get a deep understanding of the rules as to which pronoun case to use. I will share this information with everyone on the thread who wants to know as soon as i acquire it.
 
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sysprog said:
@timmeister37 how does @hutchphd know where you put what? -- or to put it another way -- please don't try too hard to police the thread -- even if it's your thread started by you, if you're not a mentor/moderator here . . .
I am not policing the thread. I am just stating the new purpose of the thread.
 
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timmeister37 said:
My purpose on this thread is to get a deep understanding of the rules as to which pronoun case to use. I will share this information with everyone on the thread who wants to know as soon as i acquire it.
The rule is fairly simple: If a pronoun is in the subject, use the subjective or nominative case: I, he, she, we, they, who. I'm borrowing this term, nominative case, from other languages with inflected noun and pronoun forms, such as Latin, German, Russian, and all other Slavic languages.
If a pronoun is an object, either direct or indirect, use the objective form: me, him, her, us, them, whom.

The two rules above cover most situations.

A special case is a linking verb, which includes all forms of to be and a few others, that is used with a pronoun. In formal English, the answer to the question "Who is there?" would be "It is I". The less formal "It is me" is commonly used, but would raise objections from strict grammarians.

Another special case is a prepositional phrase, in which a more-or-less complete sentence (a clause) follows a preposition. For example, should I use whoever or whomever in this sentence? "I will give $20 to _____________ helps me find my lost keys."
The correct choice here between whoever and whomever is whoever, because whoever is the subjective form that acts as the subject in the clause following the preposition "to."

In contrast, "I will give $20 to whomover." would be correct for this example, since whomever is not the subject of a clause (and in fact never can be the subject, any more than him, her, us, or them could be.

This business with pronouns in prepositional phrases/clauses is about as sticky as pronoun rules get. I would bet that less than 50% of native English speakers would know this.
 
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Well, that's plum neato. . . . 😏

sysprog said:
We got to love Professor Don Knuth's ##\TeX \ ~\cdots\vdots\dots\vdots\cdots\ ~## 😉

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OCR said:
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Well, that's plum neato. . . . 😏
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You misquoted me (I didn't use \vdots or repeat \cdots, both of which you did in falsely quoting me), and it's not 'plum', as in the name of the fruit; it's 'plumb', as in the name of the metal . . . 😌

If you're going to quote someone please use what he or she actually said.

He can never not have said it if he said it.
 
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sysprog said:
You misquoted me. . .
Indeed. . . and I can only offer my sincerest apologies. . :redface:Carry on. . .
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OCR said:
sysprog said:
You misquoted me
Indeed. . . and I can only offer my sincerest apologies. . :redface:

Carry on. . ..
ok smart aleck :wink:
 
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Is anyone on this thread other than me familiar with John E. Warriner's textbook English Grammar and Composition? If so, please share your thoughts on the book?
 

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