What is conserved in the system?

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The problem involves a system where a ball attached to a rod is struck by a second ball, resulting in an inelastic collision. Participants are exploring the conservation laws applicable to the system, particularly focusing on mechanical energy, momentum, and angular momentum.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster questions whether mechanical energy is conserved due to the inelastic nature of the collision and expresses uncertainty about the conservation of momentum, particularly regarding the classification of forces. Other participants raise questions about external forces affecting the system and the implications for angular momentum conservation.

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The discussion is active with participants exploring various aspects of conservation laws. Some guidance has been offered regarding the identification of external forces, and there is an ongoing examination of angular momentum conservation about different points, including the center of mass.

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Participants are considering the effects of external forces and the moment of inertia on the system's behavior, which may influence their understanding of conservation principles. There is a hint about the ceiling potentially affecting the system's motion.

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A ball is attached to a rod at one end. The rod rotates about a point at the other end.
A second ball hits the first ball with a horizontal velocity u, and then the two balls travel together with the same horizontal velocity v. The collision is inelastic.

What is conserved in the system after the collision?
The mechanical energy? Horizontal momentum? Angular momentum about the CM? Or angular momentum about the rod's axis?

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I do not believe the mechanical energy is conserved. Since this is an inelastic collision the kinetic energy after the collision is less than before, thus the mechanical energy is not conserved.

I'm not sure if the momentum is conserved. In my book it says the momentum is conserved if the external forces can be neglected but I'm not sure if the second ball is an external force or not?
 
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Are there OTHER external forces of roughly equal magnitude acting upon the second ball+pendulum system that actively prevents some type of motion to occur? (Hint: Look at the ceiling for a clue!)
 
arildno said:
Are there OTHER external forces of roughly equal magnitude acting upon the second ball+pendulum system that actively prevents some type of motion to occur? (Hint: Look at the ceiling for a clue!)

The moment of inertia? It makes it harder for the rod to rotate around the point on the ceiling?
 
Is it correct to assume that there is conservation of angular momentum about the CM? Since the added weight (when the two ball join together) thus balance out the uneven weight by moving the center of mass thus the rotation has angular momentum conservation?
 

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