What Is Fire and Why Is It Colored and Shaped That Way?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of fire, including its composition, coloration, and shape. Participants explore various aspects such as the physical state of fire, the role of excited electrons, and the influence of temperature on flame color.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the definition of fire, noting that it is often described as plasma but seeks further understanding of its properties.
  • Another participant recalls a discussion with physics teachers, mentioning that one teacher attributed the color of fire to excited electrons, though the other explanation was forgotten.
  • It is proposed that the color of fire is related to the temperature of the burning material, with higher temperatures resulting in different flame colors due to increased energy output.
  • A participant explains that fire is a chemical reaction that releases energy, which vaporizes fuel and creates a flame composed of energetic molecules. The colors are attributed to excited electrons transitioning to stable orbitals, influenced by the chemicals in the fuel.
  • The color of coals is described as being determined by black body radiation, which is dependent on the temperature of the fire.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas about the nature of fire and its coloration, but there is no consensus on the explanations provided. Multiple competing views remain regarding the underlying mechanisms of fire's properties.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of fire and the specifics of chemical reactions are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of the phenomena described.

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What is fire? I learned once upon a time that it's plasma, but that doesn't really get me anywhere... why is it colored/shaped the way it is/etc etc etc?
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thanx folks!
 
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I asked both my physics teachers this a few weeks back.
I think i remember one of them saying that it was excited electrons, but i forgot what the other one said :frown:
 
about the colour, i think its related to the temperature of whatever is being set on fire, a higher temperature flame will be giving out more energy, therefore changing the colour of the flame.
 
Here are a few links to other threads about flame.
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=51098&highlight=flame
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=39910&highlight=flame
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=28250&highlight=flame


Fire is the result of a chemical reaction. This reaction releases energy in the form of heat, the released heat, vaporizes chemicals in the fuel, these vapors are composed of energetic molecules which form the flame. The colors in the flame are created as excited electrons cascade to more stable orbitals within the molecular and or atomic structure. Thus the color of the flame is dependent on the chemicals present in the fuel.

The color of the coals on the other hand is essentially black body radiation, the color is determined by the temperature of the fire.
 
thanks, Integral!
 

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