What is meant by winding state of a field?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of winding modes of excitation in fields, particularly in the context of scalar fields in two-dimensional toroidal space. Participants explore how these winding states contribute to total energy and the implications of winding numbers in various physical theories.

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  • Some participants seek clarification on the meaning of winding modes of excitation and their contribution to total energy.
  • One participant explains that the winding number counts how many times a field wraps around a compactified dimension, providing a mathematical expression for energy contribution as ΔE = n²R².
  • Another participant questions the dimensional consistency of the energy contribution formula and requests further elaboration.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that winding numbers are not exclusive to compactified dimensions and can also appear in contexts like QCD and instantons, emphasizing their topological nature.
  • One participant draws an analogy between winding numbers and a particle in a box from quantum mechanics, suggesting that the logic of energy quantization applies similarly in the context of compactified dimensions.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of winding numbers and their definitions across various physical theories. There is no consensus on the energy contribution formula, as some seek clarification while others provide different perspectives on its derivation.

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Participants highlight the importance of understanding the context in which winding numbers are used, noting that definitions may vary significantly between different areas of physics, such as string theory and quantum field theory.

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Can anybody explain what is meant by winding modes of excitation? How do such states contribute to total energy? For example, in the case of a scalar field in 2 dimensional toroidal space, how to calculate these?
 
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the winding number just counts how many times a field or object raps around a compactified dimension (a.k.a a circle). You might have a field or object that goes something like [tex]\phi (x,y)=\phi (x) e^{i2\pi n y/R}[/tex]

Now let's say that y is defined modulo R, y ~ y + R (that is: the compactified dimension has length R). Then you can see that the field above will wind up n times by the time y goes from 0 to R. So n is the winding number. Assuming that a scalar field on a 2D torus is analogous to a closed string then the contribution goes like [tex]\Delta E = n^{2}R^{2}[/tex]
 
Thanks for your response, but I don't fully understand. Why should the energy contribution go like
[tex] \Delta E = n^{2}R^{2}[/tex]
Even dimensionally how is that possible? Can you please elaborate a bit?
 
The winding number is not only defined in situation where you have such a thing as a "compactified dimension". This is a very specific term that people use in string theory, and using it here is confusing, especially if you refer to a circle, which is not what people use in string theory.

Winding numbers appear for instance in QCD (or any Yang-Mills in general). Instantons for instance have a non vanishing Pontryagin index, and are essential in many models of the vacuum and/or bound states. It is a topological number indexing equivalent vacua.

Winding numbers appear in situation as simple as a closed loop in a plane. Suppose such a loop encloses the origin. How do you know ? Draw a line from the origin all the way outside the loop. Choose an orientation of the loop. Count positive every time the crossing is (say) right, negative otherwise. If you get a non-zero number, the origin is on the other side of the outside, that is what you define as inside. If the loop winds 3 times, you'll get 3 (or -3). This is also called the Brouwer degree in that case. No matter how complicated you deform the curve as long as you don't cut it : topological property are (what is) stable against continuous deformation.
 
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arroy_0205 said:
Thanks for your response, but I don't fully understand. Why should the energy contribution go like
[tex] \Delta E = n^{2}R^{2}[/tex]
Even dimensionally how is that possible? Can you please elaborate a bit?

You have to be careful about what units you're working with (what are you setting "equal to 1") - I always thought of winding number along the same lines as a "particle in a box" from ordinary, nonrelativistic quantum mechanics. There, you have:

mE ~ n^2/R^2, n = integer

(setting hbar = 1 and ignoring pi's and 2's and whatnot). Generalizing this to a relativistic situation, mE -> E^2, and we have the formula for winding number states.

In the case of a "compactified extra dimension" you can think of this extra dimension as a "box", and the above logic holds, with n now physically representing the quantum of momentum in the extra dimension (this follows directly from solving the Schrödinger - or klein gordan if relativistic - equation).

Hope that helps.
 

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